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Spoilers The Controversial Star Wars Opinion Thread

The best part of the Obi-Wan and Ahsoka shows was Hayden playing Anakin/ Vader again, the rest is pretty forgettable.

Although Obi-Wan provided great footage for Auralnaut’s Larry Kenobi series, the most redeeming element of the show.
 
I got 3 months free of Disney Plus from Tesco Clubcard's partnership. Did an Ahsoka and Acolyte rewatch with it. Can confirm on a second viewing I love them just as much as I did the first time. I would sacrifice every upcoming Star Wars movie for the Acolyte to get resurrected and reach its story's conclusion.
 
Having seen ROTJ in the theater recently I was surprised that the No wasn't so jarring.

Now, Hayden as Force Ghost Anakin definitely stands out. But, as with most Special Edition changes it's case by case for me.
I wasn't a fan of the "Nooo" initially, but I've gotten used to it being there and it does serve as an odd little bookend to Vader, being among both the first and last things he says with that mask on.

I will always maintain that Force Ghost Hayden was both a necessary change, and an objective improvement along the same lines as putting McDiarmid into tESB. It just makes total sense from both a character and emotional POV. Sebastian Shaw was 78 (a clear decade older than Guinness, BTW!) when he played what we now know to be a 45 year old Anakin. That aged appearance wasn't natural, and it'd be weird that his self-image would be how he would have looked had he lived until the next Rey movie.
Within the last year, I took someone through all of the Lucas era movies for the first time (in the machette order, because I was curious to see how it landed), and let's just say they got very emotional when Hayden appeared. Old fans can grumble all they want, but it packs way more of a punch that way.

Indeed, their reaction or non-reaction to a lot of the changes is really eye-opening. Not knowing there were changes at all, they just accepted them all at face value. I asked afterwards and they said that nothing felt jarring to them. Not the Jabba musical number, not the Jawa physical comedy, not the maclunkey, not even the weird CG blinking ewoks. It all felt of a piece.
 
I wasn't a fan of the "Nooo" initially, but I've gotten used to it being there and it does serve as an odd little bookend to Vader, being among both the first and last things he says with that mask on.

I will always maintain that Force Ghost Hayden was both a necessary change, and an objective improvement along the same lines as putting McDiarmid into tESB. It just makes total sense from both a character and emotional POV. Sebastian Shaw was 78 (a clear decade older than Guinness, BTW!) when he played what we now know to be a 45 year old Anakin. That aged appearance wasn't natural, and it'd be weird that his self-image would be how he would have looked had he lived until the next Rey movie.
Within the last year, I took someone through all of the Lucas era movies for the first time (in the machette order, because I was curious to see how it landed), and let's just say they got very emotional when Hayden appeared. Old fans can grumble all they want, but it packs way more of a punch that way.

Indeed, their reaction or non-reaction to a lot of the changes is really eye-opening. Not knowing there were changes at all, they just accepted them all at face value. I asked afterwards and they said that nothing felt jarring to them. Not the Jabba musical number, not the Jawa physical comedy, not the maclunkey, not even the weird CG blinking ewoks. It all felt of a piece.
While by old-guy instinct I find this heresy, I admit this is well-argued.
 
The thing is, casting Sebastian Shaw was basically a weird swerve by Lucas. Who would've imagined casting Anakin as actually older than Obi-Wan, in the sense of the actors' ages? In the ANH novelization Obi-Wan refers to training a "boy".
 
The next upgrade of Return of the Jedi looks like it's going to be lit.

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The thing is, casting Sebastian Shaw was basically a weird swerve by Lucas. Who would've imagined casting Anakin as actually older than Obi-Wan, in the sense of the actors' ages? In the ANH novelization Obi-Wan refers to training a "boy".
And Obi-Wan himself tells Luke that Vader was "a young Jedi."
 
I think Hayden now would be about the age Vader was in ROTJ, so maybe while he's filming for Ahsoka Season 2 they could film a quick new version of ROTJ ghost Anakin and replace the ROTS era Anakin.
 
The thing is, casting Sebastian Shaw was basically a weird swerve by Lucas. Who would've imagined casting Anakin as actually older than Obi-Wan, in the sense of the actors' ages? In the ANH novelization Obi-Wan refers to training a "boy".
Dude had kind of checked out.
 
The thing is, casting Sebastian Shaw was basically a weird swerve by Lucas. Who would've imagined casting Anakin as actually older than Obi-Wan, in the sense of the actors' ages? In the ANH novelization Obi-Wan refers to training a "boy".

I think he did it as a favour to Alec Guinness , who wanted to help get his old friend Sebastian Shaw some work. Sebastian looking older than Alec was was never really a big deal at the time - some people sure looked older than their years back then...

Plus, Anakin was only 5 years younger than Obi-Wan:-

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^ from 'A Guide To The Star Wars Universe’ book, 2nd edition' (1994; and well worth checking out).


Also...
From the Revenge of the Jedi story conference, in 1981, regarding how Lucas originally saw the difference between Anakin and Obi-Wan’s ages, and how Anakin Skywalker will look upon being unmasked:

Marquand: “He’s as old as Alec, isn’t he?”
Lucas: “He’s not as old as Alec.”
Marquand: “But visually?”
Lucas: “Visually, he is close.”


The Prequels... notably changed a lot of what was previously established in the OT & EU - and other officially licensed and approved content from Lucasfilm.


(To say nothing of fan theories at the time that... using the Dark Side prematurely aged you / your appearance - or living in a mechanical suit with mechanical body parts and mask a la Vader could also prematurely age you etc; Vader must have been taking some pretty potent vitamin D tablets at the time to make up for the lack of sunlight he was getting ;))


As an aside - In the 1977 ‘George Lucas: The Wizard of Star Wars’ interview with George Lucas, for Rolling Stone magazine,

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(and well worth checking out).
Sure, if you're an archaeologist.
Also...
From the Revenge of the Jedi story conference, in 1981, regarding how Lucas originally saw the difference between Anakin and Obi-Wan’s ages
Yes, we know what Lucas thought at the time of the making of ROTJ, as it's on display in the film!
But is that the same as what he "originally" thought?
The Prequels... notably changed a lot of what was previously established in the OT & EU - and other officially licensed and approved content from Lucasfilm.
The prequels didn't change much of what was established in the OT, but they did contradict a lot of fan assumptions and EU material.
 
The prequels changed enough to feel dissonant with the sequence of events. More than that it really made the Obi-Wan and Anakin relationship extremely strained.
 
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