Spoilers The Controversial Star Wars Opinion Thread

[StarTrek1701]

I only wished to express an unpopular opinion as per the nature of this topic. I did not foresee the deterioration that would follow.

> Kills helpless Count Dooku who was forced to surrender
> Saves helpless Palpatine by killing his Superior

Bravo, Nolan!

 

[fireproof78]

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The important part for everyone here:

The following is a summation of Anakin's turn as originally written and filmed:*Palpatine reveals his true identity to Anakin, telling him that the Jedi are planning to take over the Republic and to accept the Sith and the darkside. Anakin is conflicted but distrusts the Jedi--his mind is being influenced by the darkside already and he chooses to stay with Palpatine, essentially accepting the Sith in this scene. Mace and the Jedi then enter Palpatine's office--with Anakin present beside Palpatine. Mace tells Anakin to get behind him but Anakin remains where he is. When the Jedi ignite their lightsabers to arrest him, Palpatine uses the Force to retrieve Anakin's lightsaber and the fight begins. Anakin watches as his two mentors fight, and as Palpatine is disarmed he unleashes the Force-lightning. Mace and Palpatine struggle, and Palpatine's face is drained of his visage in the effort to sustain the lightning. Finally, as the two masters remain locked in a standstill, Anakin cuts off Mace's hand, and Palpatine fries him and sends him out the window. Anakin collapses in disbelief that the Jedi were indeed attempting to take over the Republic, and Sidious knights him, telling him to go kill the rest of the Jedi before they retaliate.

JFC that would have made way more sense! It was filmed too! 20 years after we finally got some clarification.

 

[Set Harth]

Coping with what? That Andor is a failure? Yes, you all should learn to cope about that.

Andor's fate has been set in stone since they decided on a total of two seasons... I think people have maybe had time to get over it?

 

[StarTrek1701]

Andor's fate has been set in stone since they decided on a total of two seasons... I think people have maybe had time to get over it?

IIRC it was supposed to be four seasons but COVID hit it with delays and they took too long to get S1 running.
People who are watching it seems to love it but also not many people are watching it, unfortunately.

 

[FredH]

This is probably silly, but there’s something about the way the very first note of the 1977 film’s score (after the 20th-Century Fox fanfare) is played that’s different, and better, than the way that same opening note is played in all of the other films. You know, that opening blare? Something about the orchestration: in the original film it’s this blaze that somehow suggests a grand expanse of stars across the sky. In the other films, it’s just a sort of loud “ta-da!”. Not the same at all. Does that make any sense?

 

[fireproof78]

Andor's fate has been set in stone since they decided on a total of two seasons... I think people have maybe had time to get over it?

Oh no... The show slated for only two seasons got two seasons.

The horror.

 

[Gaith]

JFC that would have made way more sense!

I mean, kinda, but only if we accept the Dark Side has clouded Anakin's mind to the point where he's a total idiot. "Anakin collapses in disbelief that the Jedi were indeed attempting to take over the Republic..." What are Jedi supposed to do when they find their Sith arch-enemy is the head of state? Not immediately arrest him, and presumably present evidence and a trial to the Senate later? Are they supposed to go public with their concerns first, out of deference to Palps' political position, and thereby risk his escaping into parts unknown, or triggering some anti-Jedi contingency plan, like an Order 66, which he indeed does have at the ready?

The thing about having Anakin's mind be so clouded by the Dark Side that, like a person addicted to a drug, he can't think straight, is that that process of increasing drug/Dark Side depedence has to be dramatized along the way. But Lucas completely neglected to do so, which explains why those who saw the rough cut were so unimpressed.

 

[Tuskin38]

Oh no... The show slated for only two seasons got two seasons.

The horror.

I might be misremembering, but I don't believe the show was announced with a specific number of seasons.

IIRC it was supposed to be four seasons but COVID hit it with delays and they took too long to get S1 running.

That's not why it was reduced. Half way through shooting Season 1, Tony Gilroy realized he didn't want to do this show for four more years, it was too much, he talked to Diego Luna about it and he agreed.

It had nothing to do with COVID or filming delays.

Nobody's having fun watching Andor.

The reviews and viewer numbers say otherwise.

 

[Set Harth]

https://www.avclub.com/andor-5-seasons-desperation-diegos-face

 

[Tuskin38]

Been seeing this term "kek" a lot lately, particularly as it applies to Star Wars. Forgive my vacuousness in this context, but WTF is a "kek"?

Most people know of it from the MMORPG World of Warcraft but it may have originated from Korean from an onomatopoeia for laughing.

If someone from the Horde faction speaks in local chat and says 'lol', people from the other faction will see that as 'kek'. Though other three letter words also turn into 'kek', lol is just the most common you'd probably see.

So if someone says that, they usually mean it as an even more nerdy alternative to 'lol'.

Some right leaning people/groups tried to co-opt the term for some reason, but that attempt mostly failed as too many people from all over the political spectrum used it.

Kek

"Kek" is what is displayed to Alliance characters when a Horde character says "lol" in Orcish. The word has since entered greater gaming and even real-world political vernacular.

wowpedia.fandom.com

Kek | Know Your Meme

“Kek” is a translation of the acronym “LOL” (laugh out loud) when reading text written by members of the Horde faction as an Alliance player in the online

knowyourmeme.com

 

[David cgc]

This is probably silly, but there’s something about the way the very first note of the 1977 film’s score (after the 20th-Century Fox fanfare) is played that’s different, and better, than the way that same opening note is played in all of the other films. You know, that opening blare? Something about the orchestration: in the original film it’s this blaze that somehow suggests a grand expanse of stars across the sky. In the other films, it’s just a sort of loud “ta-da!”. Not the same at all. Does that make any sense?

It’s been a long time, but I once read a breakdown of which saga films recorded the opening theme new, and which ones reused it. IIRC, the original and sequel trilogy used new performances every time, but the prequels all used the performance from TPM.

 

[Crazyewok]

My controversial opinion. The jedi were dangrous and evil.

They are a cult The took children and indoctrinated them and as part of their "training " used them as child soldier's.

Also such a religious order should not have been tied so much into a government.

 

[Set Harth]

Victim blaming is not particularly insightful.

They are a cult The took children and indoctrinated them

We do that now, and it's not called "dangerous and evil", it's received with thunderous applause.

 

[Tuskin38]

My controversial opinion. The jedi were dangrous and evil.

They are a cult The took children and indoctrinated them and as part of their "training " used them as child soldier's.

Also such a religious order should not have been tied so much into a government.

Parents were allowed to refuse. It’s not like the Jedi were kidnapping them

And it wasn’t the Jedi that tied themselves to the government, it was the other way around

 

[Set Harth]

Don't forget the curious case of Baby Poopsie!

 

[The Wormhole]

Also such a religious order should not have been tied so much into a government.

That at least actually was meant to be the point, as it's a factor in what led to the downfall of both the Jedi Order and the Old Republic.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Parents were allowed to refuse. It’s not like the Jedi were kidnapping them

And it wasn’t the Jedi that tied themselves to the government, it was the other way around

I think the novelization of Attack of the Clones mentions that Padme could’ve been trained as a Jedi but her parents turned them down. I get the feeling that most Jedi came from families who thought it was a better life for them.

 

[Crazyewok]

Parents were allowed to refuse. It’s not like the Jedi were kidnapping them

And it wasn’t the Jedi that tied themselves to the government, it was the other way around

They still put children into combat.

 

[Skywalker]

It's almost as if "maybe the Jedi have lost their way" was the whole point of the prequels.