The contradiction of the Enterprise D mission role.

[cgervasi]

So if the Galaxy Class really intended to be an exploration ship, why would a Hegemony Empire like Federation send their best assets to far far away from home just to explore some uncharted space, while at the same time they have only smaller, less capable ships like the old Miranda and Excelsior to protect their home?

I think the Galaxy class is designed for deep space exploration, so it has to have the best scientific facilities and the best defense systems because they don't know what they are going to encounter.

 

[CoveTom]

Starfleet is a military, the Enterprise is both a ship of exploration and a battleship, "To Serve Man" is a cookbook.

It has been said, it has been settled, I declare it so. (With apologies to Buffy the Vampire Slayer.)

 

[Brainsucker]

No, Starfleet answers to the UFP President and the Federation Council. That's why the President and the Council have called Kirk on the carpet for his misdeeds. (STIV) Kirk answers to Starfleet and Starfleet answers to the Council.

I can read fine. But I do have trouble parsing what you are trying to say. You tend to be all over the map.

Where did I say that Starfleet is solely military? My argument is it has multiple duties, that includes being the Federation's military as I clearly outlined here

We are talking in TNG section, so throw Kirk out from this discussion.

The bold one: So you admit that Starfleet is more than Military. If Starfleet is a military, Their scope of missions will only limited to military one; according to UFP military doctrine. They won't be in charge of Section 31, diplomacy, archeology, researching, etc. Those missions will be handled by different government entity inside UFP. But it's not. Starfleet do more than what military do. Yes, they're a militaristic organization. But they're not just simple military like the Army, the Navy, the Marine, or the Air Force.

What Starfleet do is already the same as the government themselves. They're like the government inside a government. Maybe when UFP central government rule over planets, Starfleet fule over the space.Thus I compare them with VOC and Shogun.

 

[Nerys Myk]

We are talking in TNG section, so throw Kirk out from this discussion.

The bold one: So you admit that Starfleet is more than Military. If Starfleet is a military, Their scope of missions will only limited to military one; according to UFP military doctrine. They won't be in charge of Section 31, diplomacy, archeology, researching, etc. Those missions will be handled by different government entity inside UFP. But it's not. Starfleet do more than what military do. Yes, they're a militaristic organization. But they're not just simple military like the Army, the Navy, the Marine, or the Air Force.

What Starfleet do is already the same as the government themselves. They're like the government inside a government. Maybe when UFP central government rule over planets, Starfleet fule over the space.Thus I compare them with VOC and Shogun.

No. They will be in "charge" of what ever role the government assigns them to.

Starfleet still answers to the Federation They do not have carte blanche in space.

 

[Brainsucker]

section 31 is not starfleet's intelligence agency, that would be Starfleet Intelligence. pretty much all militaries have a military intelligence branch/division, this does not make it "more than" a military. moreover, section 31 is (supposed to be, as introduced, to my recollection) a super secret tiny segment of *all* of the federation's organizations, with terrorist-cell like structures of operation, due to a super mega secret clause in the federation constitution or whatever

the "security segment" of Starfleet likewise is also not "it's own military", it's their security division, police and guards, basically.

Well, then there are multiple interpretation about Section 31. For the Memory Alpha version, Section 31 is a division of Starfleet Intelligence. And after the 24th century, they become rogue and not even Federation, but still considered as Starfleet Intelligent. It seems that your version is different from the Memory Alpha. But who care, our topic is more about Galaxy Class Starship.

For the Security Segment, well, accoding to what I read from Memory Alpha, they even engage an operation to develop Phasing cloaking device in USS Pegasus. Developing a secret tactical weapon like a phasing cloaking device is the job of military. Not the job of a police or security guard.

 

[Brainsucker]

No. They will be in "charge" of what ever role the government assigns them to.

Starfleet still answers to the Federation They do not have carte blanche in space.

Yep, they still answer to the Federation. But they do almost everything for the Federation. Like a one stop shopping organization that handle everything. To an extend that we don't know if Federation has another departments beside Starfleet.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yep, they still answer to the Federation. But they do almost everything for the Federation. Like a one stop shopping organization that handle everything. To an extend that we don't know if Federation has another departments beside Starfleet.

If you watch Star Trek and pay attention, you'll find they do.

 

[FredH]

We are talking in TNG section, so throw Kirk out from this discussion.

The bold one: So you admit that Starfleet is more than Military. If Starfleet is a military, Their scope of missions will only limited to military one; according to UFP military doctrine. They won't be in charge of Section 31, diplomacy, archeology, researching, etc. Those missions will be handled by different government entity inside UFP. But it's not. Starfleet do more than what military do. Yes, they're a militaristic organization. But they're not just simple military like the Army, the Navy, the Marine, or the Air Force.

What Starfleet do is already the same as the government themselves. They're like the government inside a government. Maybe when UFP central government rule over planets, Starfleet fule over the space.Thus I compare them with VOC and Shogun.

They are more than a military. Which means they are also a military. Which makes them — since they’re the ones who fight the wars — the military. The fact that they do all this other stuff doesn’t in any way change this. (EDIT: They are also the primary NASA-like space agency, but that mostly doesn’t lead to exciting plots, except when it does.)

 

[The Wormhole]

We are talking in TNG section, so throw Kirk out from this discussion.

The bold one: So you admit that Starfleet is more than Military. If Starfleet is a military, Their scope of missions will only limited to military one; according to UFP military doctrine. They won't be in charge of Section 31, diplomacy, archeology, researching, etc. Those missions will be handled by different government entity inside UFP. But it's not. Starfleet do more than what military do. Yes, they're a militaristic organization. But they're not just simple military like the Army, the Navy, the Marine, or the Air Force.

What Starfleet do is already the same as the government themselves. They're like the government inside a government. Maybe when UFP central government rule over planets, Starfleet fule over the space.Thus I compare them with VOC and Shogun.

Interesting. You begin your post saying we are in the TNG forum so Kirk has no place in this discussion, then you start talking about Section 31, which was never featured in TNG and therefore, by your own rules, should not be part of this discussion either.