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He also has the same scar the commandant from Star Trek VI has...
Regarding the whole Nero/V'Ger thing......TMP showed us that replications of beings absorbed by V'Ger could retain the originals' personality traits, especially strong emotions. It's been ages since I last read it, but I seem to recall this comes out even stronger in the TMP novelisation. So is Nero using his emotions to resist V'Ger all that stupid?
Besides, it's the best explanation so far as to why the Narada suddenly woke up after 25 years in Klingon captivity.
Besides, it's the best explanation so far as to why the Narada suddenly woke up after 25 years in Klingon captivity.
It didn't. That was in the comic.
If that's the case, where the heck was he all those years when no one saw or heard anything of him or his ship? A person as insane and powerful as Nero would surely make his presense known. That's why I adhere to the Klingon prison idea. The movie actually supports this notion with Uhura's line about the Klingon fleet being destroyed in an attack on a Klingon penal planet; this is obviously intended to be Nero's escape. If the Klingons had Nero and his crew, then they must have had the Narada. Simple as.
Sadly, Nero's activities for 25 years wasn't thought through at all. In the movie as is, he just sits back for 25 years waiting, despite having the most powerful starship around that could probably have laid waste to Earth or Vulcan or any planet even without Red Matter.
But then if we accept the deleted material and he was captured by the Klingons, apparentally the Klingons now in possession of the most powerful starship in the quadrant decide simply to impound next to the prison where they're holding the crew. Never studying it, reverse engineering it or trying to use its technology to enhance their own ships. Why would they? After all, some day Nero and his crew might escape and if they did they'll probably want their old ship back in the exact same condition it was when they were captured.
The comic book's slant is even worse, but sadly the most logical outcome for this situation.
But then if we accept the deleted material and he was captured by the Klingons, apparentally the Klingons now in possession of the most powerful starship in the quadrant decide simply to impound next to the prison where they're holding the crew. Never studying it, reverse engineering it or trying to use its technology to enhance their own ships. Why would they? After all, some day Nero and his crew might escape and if they did they'll probably want their old ship back in the exact same condition it was when they were captured.
The comic book's slant is even worse, but sadly the most logical outcome for this situation.
Another non-canon explanation that actually plays into what we do see is that Nero, for whatever reason, knows Spock has the red matter, and his plan to hurt Spock the way he has been hurt needs the red matter to work, so he waits until Spock shows up.
Even without the Red Matter, Nero was pretty damn powerful, the fact he was able to wipe out an entire Klingon armada is testimony to that. So I simply cannot believe that he just sat around in deep space for over two decades and did absolutely nothing. There was an incident on a prison planet at around the same time Nero destroyed the Klingons, which would strongly indicate that the two are tied together. So how was Nero able to regain the Narada? If Nero did have strong telepathic abilities, as the comic suggests, could he have waited until his mind was at peak efficiency and then communicated with the Narada's AI systems across sectors?
kkozoriz1
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The problem is that Nero was needed in two time periods, 2233 to screw up Kirk's life and 2258 to meet up with Spock Prime and the rest of the movie. The intervening time was just glossed over. Why wouldn't he go to Romulus and help his people during that time? With his advanced tech and the most powerful ship he could have made Romulus the most powerful empire. Instead he just sort of hung around, maybe got a few new tats.
Nero suffered from being the villian in an origin movie, a summer blockbuster on top of that. Lots of shooting and mustache twirling villainy but short on depth. The focus was on the many heroes. Even they got the short end of the stick at times.
Nero suffered from being the villian in an origin movie, a summer blockbuster on top of that. Lots of shooting and mustache twirling villainy but short on depth. The focus was on the many heroes. Even they got the short end of the stick at times.
Unfortunately, all of the movies suffered from similar issues that have been debated ad-naseum in other parts of the forum.
Lessee:
All bad plot holes and overused plot devices to advance a story. We get what we get and while we complain about it in every new incarnation, we still want more and continue the cycle.
Lessee:
- TMP - Enterprise is the only ship in the quadrant. Really? With all the ship names and registries (including dreadnaughts) mentioned in the very beginning at Epsilon 9?
- TWOK - They used that one for this too, but there's also the Chekov thing, Khan's insignia badge, Joachim, Khan's quickly-obtained knowledge of late 23rd century starship systems, etc.
- TSFS - Enterprise being decommissioned after being only 20 years old and we have other 23rd century vessels living on into the late 24th century; evolution of microbes to complex organisms vs. Spock simply aging? Why didn't he evolve into a disembodied ball of consciousness?
- TVH - BOP bridge; the USS Enterprise aircraft carrier...wasn't
- TFF - Do I really need to?
- TUC - Klingon blood; a Romulan (Nonclus) in a top secret Starfleet security brief; "Klingon Bitch"; Enterprise crossing the Neutral Zone & the Klingon conversation
- Gen - Was Kirk really pulled out of the Nexus to go back and change time, or did all that ending happen while still in the Nexus, effectively leaving everyone in the "real universe" (out of the Nexus) still dead?
- FC - Cochrane of Earth or Cochrane of Alpha Centauri? Another single Borg cube going into the Federation on its own? Why not a fleet or a bunch of tactical cubes and finish them off once and for all?
- Insurrection - One word - JOYSTICK!
- Nemesis - E-E in orbit around Romulas with NO warbird floatilla watching its every move? When exactly did the Romulans get Picard's DNA to make Shinzon? Did we really need B-4? Wheeled vehicles? Shit... The only good thing about this movie, IMHO, was it had the longest rolling starship battle in the history of the large-screen half of the franchise. Besides that...feh...
All bad plot holes and overused plot devices to advance a story. We get what we get and while we complain about it in every new incarnation, we still want more and continue the cycle.
What "Chekov thing?" And what exactly is wrong with Joachim?
Because this isn't Trek Literature.
Based on Shinzon's age, approximately 20-25 years prior to the movie. Which makes sense. At the time, Picard was a rising star within Starfleet, and Romulans are masters at espionage. Presumably a spy of theirs somehow obtained the necessary genetic sample from Picard and got it back to Romulus to create Shinzon.
It's mentioned in the scene when Uhura returns to her dorm room while Kirk is in bed with Gaila.
No, while all the movies possess their share of problems, none of the previous movie contain the shear volume of plot holes and inconsistency as Star Trek Eleven.
TMP - Enterprise is the only ship in the quadrant. Really?
Not really, this was never stated. Starfleet wanted to intercept the intruder, with her new power plant and engines, the Enterprise refit was unusual fast, with her new shields she was unusual well protected. From the time the Enterprise launched until V'Ger arrived at Earth was only going to be two and a half days. The Enterprise was uniquely qualified to handle this mission. However no, it wasn't the only ship in the quadrant.
TWOK - They used that one [only ship in the quadrant] for this too
How so? Chekov told Marcus that Kirk ordered Genesis seized, Marcus directly contacted Kirk, Kirk directly contacted Starfleet, the Enterprise was given the assignment of investigating. Again not the only ship in the quadrant. The presents of the Reliant belies that idea.
When exactly did the Romulans get Picard's DNA to make Shinzon?
Likely when Picard was a younger man, how did the Romulans actual get and transport his "genetic matter," in the words of Robert Heinlein, the Romulans probably wrapped a woman around it.
Actually, TWOK is the movie that has that dialogue explicitly. Kirk is in Spock's quarters, and he says, "I told Starfleet that all we had was a boatload of children. But, we're the only ship in the quadrant."