The Classic/Retro Pop Culture Thread

Discussion in 'TV & Media' started by The Old Mixer, Jan 11, 2016.

  1. RJDiogenes

    RJDiogenes Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion Premium Member

    Jun 11, 2003
    RJDiogenes of Boston
    Interesting factino. Weddings in the White House is something I seldom think about.

    I'm not sure if I've heard this. Certainly not one of his blockbusters.

    Another favorite. Definitely a sunny day song. I love the line, "With a happy tune, anybody can be a singer," which kind of fits in with "Sweet Pea." :rommie:

    And here's another good one.

    And catchy. It was in my head half the day, along with memories of Dorchester.

    It seems to me that fable or folklore kind of imagery was popular in those days all over. "Red Riding Hood." "Pied Piper." "Lady Godiva." "White Rabbit." Also in comics and other media. It's more of a feeling than anything I've given any thought to. I wonder if anyone else has ever done a study.

    Well, this is one of those things that became a favorite more because of personal appeal than quality. It's not even very flattering, really. :rommie:

    Interesting. I never caught that resemblance.

    True. Or Mary Anne's. :rommie:

    This is why I try to avoid comments and national conversations these days. My opinion of Humanity doesn't need to get any lower at this point.
  2. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

    Feb 4, 2002
    The Old Mixer, Somewhere in Connecticut
    50th Anniversary Cinematic Special

    Escape from the Planet of the Apes
    Directed by Don Taylor
    Starring Roddy McDowall, Kim Hunter, Bradford Dillman, Natalie Trundy, Eric Braeden, and Ricardo Montalbán
    Released May 21, 1971

    The film takes us to an alternate near-future of 1973 in which our space program is much more advanced (it's said to be two years since Taylor's spacecraft was lost), William Windom is president, and Bradford Dillman and Ricardo Montalban are good guys. Milo is a new character who's been retconned into the situation. The ape civilization in the previous films didn't seem nearly advanced enough to study and use the spacecraft (which, IIRC, was lost underwater with the apes never having seen it).

    Somewhere in here there's some social commentary about apes believing that they were created in God's image. 3955 is said to have been the date of Earth's destruction...I don't know offhand if that's consistent with what the previous films established.

    The generally lighthearted nature of this part of the film belies how badly things will end for Cornelius, Zira, and the swapped chimp, setting the story up as a proper tragedy. The film is carried by McDowall and Hunter's charismatic and sympathetic portrayal of their now-leading characters.

    Hasslein puts forth the premise of alternate futures, which both informs his actions in this film, as he believes that he can prevent the future that the apes come from, and sets up how apes history plays out differently that described here in the future films. Hasslein is the film's bad guy, and is nasty in his methods, but is actually trying to save humanity and the world. President Windom is pretty reasonable and contemplative about the idea of apes taking over someday and doesn't take the idea of altering the future lightly. As the situation escalates later in the film, he also tries to reign Hasslein in. Quite a contrast to the guy who was occupying the Oval Office at the time.

    Joining our list of familiar faces and Trek guests in particular, Jason Evers is one of the CIA interrogators. The apes know a lot about how apes rose despite Earth's history being a surprise to them in the first film...there's an attempt at a handwave with Cornelius revealing that he had access to "secret scrolls". The ape uprising and Aldo first speaking is said to happen in 300 I recall, the equivalents to these events happen much sooner in the next film, which takes place when Milo II is a young adult.

    Zira (on humans): We've met hundreds since we've been here, and I trust...three.​

    The camera trick used when Milo repeatedly says "Mama" is too obvious.

    Overall, this was a very watchable film that sets up future installments better than the last one did; but as sci-fi classics of the era go, it's not in the same league as the original movie.


    When I toured the White House several years back, there was an exhibit about this in the Visitor Center.

    This is included because the album is on the list, and the next one due for a write-up. I find it to be an enjoyable bit of '70s rock.

    I haven't gotten this one yet as the version available for download differs from the single version, though it may have been the album version. I'm always suspicious of re-recordings when it's a one-hit wonder that's not available from a major label. I just might have heard this one on oldies radio back in the day, though it doesn't stick out in my memory.

    This one is definitely a familiar oldies radio track. I read that the album was mostly about James expressing his Christian devoutness...didn't know that about him.

    Can I have some tonic and a bite of your spucky?

    The last example, at least, was informed by the trippiness of the subject matter.

    I should note that both songs have great examples of Paul's signature melodic bass lines.

    It's not a coincidence that the first Monkees single sounds so much like what was, at the time they were making it, the Beatles' most recent chart-topper.

    She wasn't in on the private club scene yet, though.

    ETA: And now, Clarence Williams III. :(

    Michael Cole is the last Mod standing.
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  3. RJDiogenes

    RJDiogenes Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion Premium Member

    Jun 11, 2003
    RJDiogenes of Boston
    Which, of course, gives us many opportunities for speculation. :rommie: After all, if a time traveler from the past landed in Mayberry, they could hardly extrapolate the existence of New York. However, nothing we ever saw in either the movies or TV show can support that. There's also the possibilities that Zaius's faction was using or investigating the technology they were suppressing, or that there was a cabal of apes working with an enclave of mutants. There's a whole movie in there somewhere.

    There's little, if any, consistency in the timeline. It's wibbly wobbly. That wibbly wobbly thing is actually kind of funny, because I always pictured the Apes timeline as one of those circles in an old-time oscilloscope, wiggling all over the place but never straying too far from the baseline.

    Indeed. It's nearly impossible to imagine better choices for those characters.

    Which is slightly odd, when you think about the general editorializing in the film. Perhaps they didn't want to be too on the nose for the sake of the box office.

    Why bother at this point? :rommie: This is just not the same Cornelius and Zira from the first film.

    And now we have apps on our phones that can make our pets talk. :rommie:

    Few films are. The sequels are all B-movies, but the original is Grade A-Plus. Still, along with the TV series (and, in my mind, the Marvel magazine), it's a great, classic franchise, and I'd love to see another film or show set in that original wonky timeline.

    Nice. I've been to the White House, but I didn't get to go inside (which is weird, because they let in a guy dressed like Hagar the Horrible).

    It popped up occasionally on the Oldies station, but it was a frequent flyer on Lost 45s.

    Me neither. I took note of that cover art and was a bit surprised.

    Sure, just come into the parlor and have a seat on the divan. :D

    Still, I'm sure the Howells wouldn't object to her doing chores for them. :rommie:

    Yeah, I just saw this a few minutes ago on the CNN feed. The old world is passing away. I feel so bad for people who were in the thick of the Civil Rights Era who have to pass on seeing how badly ensuing generations have failed us.
  4. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

    Feb 4, 2002
    The Old Mixer, Somewhere in Connecticut
    But getting the ship operational was specifically supposed to have been done by Milo, a chimp friend of Cornelius and Zira. According to Wiki, he was supposed to be a da Vinci among apes.

    Keep in mind that we didn't know then about Nixon everything that came out during and after Watergate. This was a pre-Watergate portrayal of the presidency.
  5. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

    Feb 4, 2002
    The Old Mixer, Somewhere in Connecticut

    55.5th-ish Anniversary Viewing


    The Ed Sullivan Show
    Season 18, episode 6
    Originally aired October 17, 1965
    As represented in The Best of the Ed Sullivan Show

    The distinctive blues rockers do a number I'm not familiar with called "Work Song":

    I think that the unseen orchestra brings more to this rendition of "Night and Day" than Boone does:

    (Though I think something went wrong with the audio mastering in that sounds like I'm listening through a tin can.)

    As if trying to make Pat look cool, the show goes full Lawrence...

    Still, they've got talent for what they're doing.

    Boone now performs "I Love You So Much It Hurts" and "You'll Never Walk Alone". I think the latter number better showcases his vocal talent.

    While Joyce sings "Shadow Waltz," her hair extension and Sid's false mustache get stuck to one another and both come off. Then a superimposed fly buzzes around them and Sid fake swats it on her face. The number ends with her knocking him into the set dressing.

    The group performs their brand new single of the moment, "Ring Dang Doo" (charted Oct. 9, 1965; #33 US):


    "Seward's Folly"
    Originally aired October 17, 1965
    Alaska...I wonder how Jason's reputation fares up there. We don't find out, because he quickly leaves the stock footage of dogsleds and travels with a work buddy, Rufus I. Pitkin (J. Pat O'Malley), down to Seattle, where Jason has a meeting with actual historical figure William Henry Seward. Jason's reputation extends as far as hotel clerks in does Seward's, whose advocacy of the purchase of Alaska is a subject of controversy. In a saloon, Pitkin talks loosely about gold and furs to be found in Alaska, which catches the attention of a shady character named Sobel (Charles Maxwell) and his flunky, Grimes (Robert Hoy). Proceeding to Seward's hotel room, Jason is met by Leslie Gregg (Coleen Gray), whose father was a partner in the Alaska venture. She's gratified and Seward (Ian Wolfe) is enthusiastic to hear Jason's appraisal that the territory will be a very good investment for the nation. Seward considers Jason to be a kindred soul: "They branded you a coward and me a fool." Meanwhile, Pitkin is getting sauced up by Sobel for information.

    Jason works on the report with Leslie, but as they're sparking a romance on the side, Sobel and Grimes don masks to hold them up for the report. Jason fights them off with fists, broken saber, and something that looks a little too much like a karate chop for 19th-century America; and Pitkin identifies the crooks when it's over. Seward and Leslie board a stage back East, Seward expressing his eternal gratitude to Jason and Leslie leaving Jason with a kiss. While working on a survey of the Seattle dock area, Jason gets a telegram from Leslie that Seward died in his home before he was able to meet with President Grant. Jason is sorry that Seward never got to enjoy his public moment of triumph, but expresses confidence in his legacy.

    This one barely had a plot to speak of...the business with the crooks was very perfunctory.


    12 O'Clock High
    "The Hotshot"
    Originally aired October 18, 1965

    The episode opens with General Britt briefing press officer Roy Saxon (Walter Brooke) on how the 918th is going to start hitting the Germans anywhere from any direction via shuttle raids while escorted by Lt. Col. Jerry Troper's (Warren Oates) squadron of shiny new P-51 Mustangs. Troper is a titular type who has 22 confirmed kills, going back to having flown as a volunteer for the RAF. On the next mission, the P-51s are late to the rendezvous and the 918th is jumped by German fighters. When Troper's squadron finally arrives, Komansky engages in a friendly fire incident. Troper should complain, the 918th lost nineteen bombers. Nevertheless, back on the ground he tries to start a fight with Gallagher, but is interrupted. In his office, Gallagher accuses Troper of not following identification protocols. Forced to speak with Saxon, Gallagher levels with him about what happened. Britt makes Gallagher work with Troper in a training course to develop tactics for working with the fighters. Troper carries his attitude to the Star & Bottle, where he makes a scene in front of a couple of British servicewomen that Gallagher's spending time with, Fay Vendry (Jill Haworth) and Alyce Carpenter (Jill Ireland).

    Gallagher and Komansky review gun camera footage from the mission and come across a reel from one of the fighters that explains the squadron's tardiness--they were busy strafing a freight train. When only twelve of the seventeen pilots show up for the briefing the next morning, Gallagher chews out Troper's second-in-command, Major Marriott (William Bryant), and orders the missing pilots--including Troper--placed under arrest. The training proceeds, though, which includes Troper flying as Gallagher's co-pilot. In private, Gallagher proves a point by giving Topher a flash-card drill of fighter silhouettes, in which Troper misidentifies P-51s as Me-109s twice--or as Gallagher puts it, shoots down two of his own men. After a rendezvous exercise, Troper makes an excuse to break formation and engages in a bit of solo low-flying stunt work.

    Things are otherwise going much more smoothly between the B-17 crews and P-51 pilots, though Troper sees his squadron's willingness to play ball with the 918th as loyalty to Gallagher and tries to assert his authority by cracking down on them. Troper's supposed to still be under arrest, but goes out drinking and comes back to base shitfaced. Gallagher grounds Troper from the next day's mission...which includes a cameo by a squadron of P-38s doing the initial leg of escort duty, because we weren't getting enough WWII fighter porn with beauty shots of the Mustangs. The P-51s, led by Marriott, are late again, but get there in time to take on the German fighters, and Marriott shoots down feared German ace Colonel Falkenstein (Gunnar Hellstrom). Back on the ground, Troper tries to take his men to task for not scoring more kills, though they understand that their duty was to protect the bombers. Troper finds himself alone on the airfield, his men turning their backs on him.


    The Wild Wild West
    "The Night of a Thousand Eyes"
    Originally aired October 22, 1965

    Captain Tenney (Barney Phillips) has just assured a passenger named Miss Devine (an uncredited Celeste Yarnall) that his boat is well protected when the well-organized and -equipped pirates set up a false church steeple to cause the pilot to run the ship aground. The pirates then attack the boat with men jumping aboard and covering machine gun fire from the shore. Possibly having been aboard was the fourth dead Secret Service investigator to turn up dead, in the river where the other victims of the piracy are found. A chip was found on the agent's body that leads Jim to a gambling establishment, where an employee named Crystal (Janine Gray) keeps him occupied at a rigged roulette table by letting him win while all but throwing herself at him...but this proves to be the bait for an attack by several scruffy-looking types, whom Jim overcomes. When Jim is pressing her afterward for the name of who hired her, she's shot through a wall and utters "Coffin".

    Elsewhere, Captain Ansel Coffin (Jeff Corey) has the man in charge of the ambush, Poavey (Donald O'Kelly), dealt with, then digs into his braille files to select an alternate operative to use against West, Jennifer Wingate (Diane McBain). Jim meets Wingate while she's using the man's bathing room at his hotel. She agrees to have dinner with him, where she gets close enough to shoot him point blank with a small pistol, but he's wearing a bulletproof vest and, unrealistically, doesn't even flinch from the impact. Both taking the incident in stride, she admits to being Coffin's source of information about riverboats going through, and then takes Jim to see Coffin, leading him to a cave entrance where he's taken prisoner by Coffin's men.

    Coffin divests Jim of his vest so that he can be tied up bare-chested, describes how a riverboat explosion took his eyesight, shows Jim his collection of objects that stimulate his other senses, and introduces his wife, Oriana (Linda Ho), who saved him after the explosion and has difficulty speaking. Coffin describes how his operation works, and shares his goal to extort the president for allowing passage of cargo. He then has Jim put in a hanging cage that's connected to a lightning rod, during a thunderstorm (which I'm pretty sure uses the lightning flash from Gilligan's Island, among others).

    Along the way, Artie is approached by Poavy's vengeance-seeking daughter (Jeanne Vaughn), who warns him that West is in danger from Wingate, but doesn't know where. He returns to the hotel, where he's accosted by Coffin's men, but pulls some trickery in the bathing room that gives him the upper hand.

    Meanwhile, Jim gets so bored waiting for that fatal lightning strike that he manages to bust out of his cage, but trips a wire in the cavern that ignites a powder flash, blinding him. He makes his way to Coffin's living room and the two engage in a duel, in which Coffin has the advantage of being used to operating without eyesight. But when Oriana tries to warn her husband of an attack by Jim, he hurls an African throwing knife in her direction, killing her. Coffin pursues Jim into the cavern, where, his eyesight having started to recover, he drops the cage on Coffin.

    In a train coda that fills a little too much time, Wingate uses her wiles to bargain with Jim and Artie for leniency.

    Artie appeared in more than just bookends in this one, but was still conspicuously sidelined from the main story.


    Hogan's Heroes
    "The Prisoner's Prisoner"
    Originally aired October 22, 1965
    British commando Sergeant Walters (John Orchard) is brought in as a new prisoner after a failed raid on an ammo dump. Hogan plans to finish the job, so he shares fake scuttlebutt with Klink that the camp is being closed so that he'll demand that the other commandos be brought to Stalag 13 in a truck that he sends to the ammo dump. Hogan and Carter stow on the truck, sneak into the wine cellar where the explosives were in the process of being set, end up taking General Karl Schmidt (Roger C. Carmel) prisoner while he's entertaining a fraulein, and smuggle him into the stalag among the commandos.

    Klink won't believe Schmidt is who he is because Schmidt is supposed to have been killed when ammo dump was blown. But when Hogan offers to get out a message for him, Schmidt won't reveal where his staff is located. The prisoners pull a ruse in the barracks to make Schmidt think that he's suffering symptoms of an illness; and throw him an early Christmas celebration, with Schultz well cast as Saint Nick...following which the general finally spills the name of a town. Schmidt is then smuggled out to England, accompanied by Walters.

    That will be all!


    Get Smart
    "Washington 4, Indians 3"
    Originally aired October 23, 1965
    In Arizona, a bus is held up by a band of Native Americans on horseback, sporting Old West-era dress and speech. They deliver a message to vacationing Agent 43 (Monroe Arnold) giving their ultimatum that all lands be restored to their people or they'll go to war. 43 calls Max, who immediately puts the military on alert, but the Chief is incredulous, and the joint chiefs (Willis Bouchey, Bill Zuckert, and Donald Curtis) bumble around for a bit about how to deal with the threat before deciding to send Max in for more intelligence.

    In Arizona, 43 informs Max and 99 that the Red Feathers are concealing a powerful weapon in a tent. The agents are waylaid by a tribesman (Armand Alzamora), but gain the upper hand, so Max changes into his outfit to infiltrate. It turns out that Max is impersonating Running Creek, the bride groom of White Cloud (Adele Palacios), the daughter of the group's leader, Red Cloud (Anthony Caruso). Max slips away into the war tent, where he finds a missile, then hides as a war council is convened, but is found, and then saved by 99. Max attempts to talk Red Cloud out of war, but finds that his argument regarding progress in Native American affairs is so weak that he concedes and allows Red Cloud to fire the missile...which turns out to be a giant arrow. In the coda, we learn that the arrow landed harmlessly in the West Wing of the White House, and Red Cloud has been appointed Undersecretary of the Interior for Indian Affairs.

    Other tribesmen include Green Meadows (Barry Russo) and Blue Skies (Roberto Contreras).

    This was a pretty weak episode even allowing for its problematic elements, as it was pretty much all about those elements. It might have made for better, smarter parody to have the tribesmen dressing and acting like contemporary Native Americans, and the agents interacting with them based on the outdated stereotypes that were instead on full display here.

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  6. J.T.B.

    J.T.B. Rear Admiral Premium Member

    Jun 14, 2005
    A jazz standard, I believe the lyrics are a retrofit. You may have come across the TJB's uptempo instrumental:

  7. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

    Feb 4, 2002
    The Old Mixer, Somewhere in Connecticut
    Ah, I have that, but didn't remember it! And it looks like it's scheduled to come up as 55th anniversary business within the month!
  8. TREK_GOD_1

    TREK_GOD_1 Vice Admiral Admiral

    May 24, 2006
    Escaped from Delta Vega
    Just when everyone believed there was no way to write a sequel to follow the destruction of the earth, Paul Dehn created a brilliant way to continue the series and laid down tracks to keep the series moving forward.

    It appears all ape ideas of being divine came from the Lawgiver, if one recalls how his image and name was so revered in the first two films in this series. From that, one can assume the Lawgiver--trying to build his species up after turning the tables on mankind--crafted, or was inspired to think the oppressed rising to become the dominant species meant they were destined to do so.

    Eric Braeden was an acting revelation in this film; he had been in the business for some time (before this film, perhaps best known for his role on The Rat Patrol TV series by his real name, Hans Gudegast), but here, as the human analogue to Dr. Zauis, his Hasslien was every bit as threatening as he was thoughtful about the fate of his species. Like Zauis, he was beyond convincing that the the future was not in absolute danger by the appearance of what should not exist. Easily one of the most criminally underrated sci-fi film villains.

    Yes, thanks to ape evolution speeding up faster than projected, leading to the soon-to-be human-sized apes to be used as pets and a slave class in the next film, set some eighteen years after the events of Escape.

    Probably because Beneath was designed to end the series, not set up sequels.

    The 1971 novelization by famed sci-fi author Jerry Pournelle had a number of scenes and character moments not seen in the film, although some were shot, but cut, such as:
    • A lengthy opening focused on the military, their personalities and the recovery of Taylor's ship.
    • The President's dislike and confrontational relationship with Hasslien (far more than what was shot)
    • How the apes were buried just as they had been discovered.
    ..and more. Marvel's Planet of the Apes magazine adapted the film in issues 13 through 16 in 1975, and like the novel, there's alternate or expanded scenes the ended up on the cutting room floor, such as the POV of the Apes in Taylor's ship as they see the earth destroyed, and the effect of the cataclysm sending them into the past.

    One of the most significant breakthrough black actors in TV history; his development of Linc was pretty much from another world (i.e., one closer to our own) compared to so many unrealistic portrayals of black characters up to that point on American TV history. While some anthology series and guest spots gave black actors room to move beyond stereotypical characters, the roles were far and few between. Clarence Williams III had such a major impact on the perception of black characters on TV, as his Linc heavily leaned in the spiritual neighborhood of the more militant, self-aware activist emerging in the mid 60s. Although his character did believe in the general ideas of say, achieve goals, he was also reflective of a young group who felt their fight was just beginning and would not be won in a purely non-violent manner.

    Williams III has said he did put a lot of himself into his signature role, and culturally, TV audiences benefited from his kind of character breaking so many barriers and expectations of what a young black man should be.

    He will be missed.
  9. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

    Feb 4, 2002
    The Old Mixer, Somewhere in Connecticut
    Huh...I hadn't made that connection, nor fully realized how the apes' situation in this film was a mirror of the human protagonists' situation in the previous ones.

    I didn't get that impression at all from the film. The President seemed to value Hasslien's input, they just ended up not being on the same page.
  10. RJDiogenes

    RJDiogenes Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion Premium Member

    Jun 11, 2003
    RJDiogenes of Boston
    Looks like TrekBBS was one of those sites that suffered from the outage yesterday.

    Definitely a different iteration of the loop then.

    Still, there was Vietnam and his general Right-Wingism, as well as his obvious personality disorders-- he was not a very beloved figure.

    But we get to see them from the waist down.

    Such as it is.

    I remember this one. :rommie:

    Strangely, "North To Alaska" was stuck in my head yesterday for no discernible reason.

    Somebody really wanted to involve Jason in some real history, but the choice seems arbitrary, despite the attempt to draw a parallel with Seward.

    Damn, they should have devoted a whole episode to that. They could have found an excuse to visit his castle.

    Ambiguous ending. Will he straighten up and fly right-- so to speak-- or become another Gary Lockwood?

    Try "North To Alaska."

    Like "The Most Dangerous Game," but without the human hunting.

    He flinches later, in private.

    Coffin should have gone into the nightclub business instead of turning to evil.

    I wonder if it's a Man From UNCLE kind of thing where he wasn't originally supposed to have such a big role.

    You know who!

    So Schulz is still in on it in this one, or did they trick him?

    Eh, it's Get Smart, and it has a remarkably pro-Indian message ("Max attempts to talk Red Cloud out of war, but finds that his argument regarding progress in Native American affairs is so weak that he concedes and allows Red Cloud to fire the missile...") for a show that didn't really dive deep into topicality.

    Or, people are alike all over. Even when they're apes. :rommie:

    I think I remember reading that it was written as an intentional inversion of the first film.
  11. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

    Feb 4, 2002
    The Old Mixer, Somewhere in Connecticut
    Nevertheless, this was an era when our pop culture would err on the side of portraying "the President" as one of the good guys.

    Had to look that one up. Eh.

    That guy from The Mothers-in-Law!

    Completely ambiguous. He just popped up in the middle of the ruse. It does fit the pattern of him being more of an in-the-know accomplice, though.
  12. TREK_GOD_1

    TREK_GOD_1 Vice Admiral Admiral

    May 24, 2006
    Escaped from Delta Vega
    Well, Nixon's highest Gallup poll approval rating was at 66% in 1973, which is higher than other presidents serving during tumultuous times, such as Biden (57%) and Trump (49%), for two examples.

    Not touching that one!

    It was; Paul Dehn thought it would be a reverse commentary on humans if apes were subjected to the same condemnation as Taylor had been in POTA, also illustrating how similar both societies were in their judgement / response to an assumed threat to their world order.
  13. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

    Feb 4, 2002
    The Old Mixer, Somewhere in Connecticut
    And President Windom may have had his own Silent Majority behind him...though he probably wasn't very popular with the talking apes.
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  14. RJDiogenes

    RJDiogenes Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion Premium Member

    Jun 11, 2003
    RJDiogenes of Boston
    I suppose, depending on the venue. I expect a little more cynicism from my Apes movies, though. :rommie:

    It's catchy, and an unusual topic for a song.

    Exactly! A sitcom classic.

    True enough, I suppose, weird as it is.


    It worked pretty well, I thought. In a sense, it's kind of a shame that Cornelius and Zira couldn't get their walk off into ambiguity like Taylor did, but that might be too on the nose.
  15. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

    Feb 4, 2002
    The Old Mixer, Somewhere in Connecticut
    50th Anniversary Album Spotlight

    Love It to Death
    Alice Cooper
    Released March 9, 1971
    Chart debut: March 20, 1971
    Chart peak: #35 (May 15, 1971)
    #460 on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums of All Time (2003)
    On the origins of the band:
    Another passage describes the content of the band's first two albums as "loose, psychedelic freak rock".

    The third album opens punchily with its second single, "Caught in a Dream" (charted June 12, 1971; #94 US), which Wiki describes as "a straight-ahead rocker that follows simple hard-rock formulas, trading heavy riffing with guitar fills and solos":

    This is followed by the band's breakout single, "I'm Eighteen" (charted Feb. 20, 1971; #21 US; #482 on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Songs of All Time):

    Next is "Long Way to Go," which is described as another "straight-ahead rocker," and is the source of the album's title:

    The song's lyrics seem to be a rejection of counterculture idealism.

    The first side closes with the album's longest track at over nine minutes, the morbid "Black Juju," which Wiki describes as being "in the vein of The Doors, and Pink Floyd's 'Interstellar Overdrive'—both bands Alice Cooper earlier had opened for—with an organ part derived from Pink Floyd's 'Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun'." On the plus side, it's nice to hear more confirmation that psychedelia isn't quite gone yet, and I can totally hear the Doors influence in the organ part; but I think that they should have followed the Doors' lead and put this one late on the second side, as it kills any momentum gained thus far.

    Side two opens with "Is It My Body," the B-side of "I'm Eighteen," in which the singer questions the motivations of those who'd seek to know him in the biblical sense:

    "Hallowed Be My Name," the B-side of "Caught in a Dream," is an irreverent, punkish-sounding send-up of religion.

    Continuing the religious theme is "Second Coming," which was reportedly a veiled swipe at something else near and dear to us:
    I'm not picking up the connection in the track itself, but will give benefit of the doubt that this ultimately came from the band.

    This segues directly into the album's climactic track, the ambitious "Ballad of Dwight Fry":

    This in turn segues directly into the album's final track and only cover, "Sun Arise," which was originally a Rolf Harris single in the early '60s.

    Alice Cooper has a good rock sound on this album--not as heavy or gloomy as Sabbath--but most of the material doesn't do much for me.


    Sounds like whatever other Johnny Horton songs I've heard.

    The climax should have happened on Liberty Island!
  16. RJDiogenes

    RJDiogenes Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion Premium Member

    Jun 11, 2003
    RJDiogenes of Boston
    Freak Rock. I like that. :rommie:

    Funny, because I always thought this was embarrassingly bad, even when I was a teenager.

    Interesting. I wonder where his head was at at this point. He claims to be apolitical, but leans to the Right and eventually became a Born Again Christian. He's a tough talker, but there's often been a lot of sensitivity to his lyrics.

    Apparently not Born Again yet. :rommie:

    An example of that sensitivity.

    He's another artist who I know mostly by his singles, and, like Ozzy, can never keep track of band versus solo. But he's done some outstanding stuff over the years. My favorites are "Only Women Bleed" and "I Never Cry," which come much later.

    Could be. I'm not familiar with him at all.

    Damn, that's right. I should have thought of that.
  17. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

    Feb 4, 2002
    The Old Mixer, Somewhere in Connecticut
    55 Years Ago This Week

    June 12 – The Division Street riots, the first in a major city of the United States by Puerto Ricans, broke out in Chicago after city police shot and wounded a 20-year-old man, Cruz Arcelis. Over three days, 16 people were injured, one died, and more than 50 buildings in the Puerto Rican neighborhoods on the city's northwest side, near the intersection of Division Street and Damen Avenue, were destroyed.

    June 13 – The admonition of rights that would become known as the "Miranda warning" became required in the U.S. after the ruling in Miranda v. Arizona by the Supreme Court of the United States that the police must inform suspects of their constitutional rights before questioning them. The 5-4 ruling, written by Chief Justice Earl Warren, set forth that before a suspect was questioned, he must be warned of his right to remain silent and his right to an attorney or his statements could not be admitted into evidence. The required warning that begins "You have the right to remain silent..." would ever after be named for Ernesto Miranda, the suspect whose March 13, 1963 arrest made him the main petitioner in the Court case.
    [And out there in the city--Los Angeles, California--Jack Webb gets the notion to revive his old show...]

    June 14 – The Vatican abolishes the Index Librorum Prohibitorum.

    June 15
    • In the Battle of Hill 488 at the Quảng Tín Province, the 18 men of Charlie Company, a heavily outnumbered U.S. Marine platoon held off an attack by more than 400 well-disciplined North Vietnamese Army and Viet Cong fighters, and inflicted large casualties on the enemy, losing 14 of their own, before being able to withdraw. One Marine officer later noted, "This was an Alamo— with survivors." Gunnery Sergeant Jimmie E. Howard would be presented the Congressional Medal of Honor for his heroism in the battle, fought at Nui Vu Hill.
    • U.S. President Lyndon Johnson's pet beagle, "Him", was accidentally run over by a car on a driveway at the White House. The famous dog, who sometimes appeared in photographs of the President, ran into the path of one of the White House's limousines, while chasing a squirrel.

    June 16 – The "Black Power" Movement in the United States came into national prominence when activist Stokely Carmichael, leader of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, used it as the rallying cry for 1,500 African-American supporters of James Meredith's March Against Fear. Carmichael had been released from jail after being arrested for trespassing for erecting tents for the marchers on the grounds of the Stone Street Negro Elementary School in Greenwood, Mississippi. "Everybody owns our neighborhood except us," Carmichael told the crowd in Leflore County, where the majority of the population was black. "We outnumber the whites in this county. We want black power. That's what we want. Black power!" The marchers then took on the slogan as one of the slogans as they proceeded toward Jackson. Carmichael added that "Every county courthouse in Mississippi should be burned tomorrow to get rid of the filth in them... the only to get justice is to get a black sheriff.. The only thing we can do is take over."

    June 17 – An Air France personnel strike begins.

    June 18 – CIA chief William Raborn resigns; Richard Helms becomes his successor.

    Selections from Billboard's Hot 100 for the week:

    Leaving the chart:
    • "Good Lovin'," The Young Rascals (14 weeks)
    • "How Does That Grab You, Darlin'?," Nancy Sinatra (8 weeks)
    • "Sloop John B," The Beach Boys (11 weeks)
    • "The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore," The Walker Brothers (9 weeks)

    Recent and new on the chart:

    "My Lover's Prayer," Otis Redding

    (June 4; #61 US; #10 R&B; #37 UK)

    "Oh Yeah," The Shadows of Knight

    (June 4; #39 US)

    "The Land of Milk and Honey," The Vogues

    (June 4; #29 US)

    "You Better Run," The Young Rascals

    (#20 US)

    "Hungry," Paul Revere & The Raiders

    (#6 US)


    Timeline entries are quoted from the Wiki pages for the month or year.


    It's got a good, arguably pioneering '70s rock sound.

    There definitely seems to have been some pushback against the hippie counterculture among the likes of Alice Cooper, Iggy Pop, etc.

    Sensitivity, or melodrama?

    I've got those, though I'm not overly familiar. And at this rate, we'll be there before you know it.

    By the time he went north to Alaska in 1960, he'd already had these two major crossover hits:

    "The Battle of New Orleans"
    (charted Apr. 27, 1959; #1 US the weeks of June 1 through July 6, 1959; #1 Country; #3 R&B; #16 UK; Billboard's best-performing single of 1959; 1960 Grammy Award for Song of the Year)

    "Sink the Bismarck"
    (charted Mar. 7, 1960; #3 US; #6 Country)

    Sound familiar?
  18. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Cartoon Premium Member

    Nov 4, 2001
    Vasquez Rocks, Bajor
    Johnny Horton’s Greatest Hits was an album my siblings and I played to death after discovering it in our parents’ record collection. Catchy tunes for the under 10 set.
  19. gblews

    gblews Vice Admiral Admiral

    Apr 13, 2004
    So. Cal.
    I think this may be something like what the Shadows of Knight were trying to do:
    The Rascaks, blue eyed soul at it’s best. :)
  20. RJDiogenes

    RJDiogenes Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion Premium Member

    Jun 11, 2003
    RJDiogenes of Boston
    Keep the Internet free!

    Not helpful, Stokely!

    Certainly pleasing to the ear.

    It's like Beat Poetry with electric guitars instead of bongos.

    I don't think I ever heard this before. Not bad.

    I had no idea that this was a cover. I'm not sure if it's good or not, because it's not Pat Benatar. I think I need to go back to bed for a while.

    Also unknown to me and also not bad.

    Well, the lyrics, I mean. It sounds good.

    Oh, yeah, definitely. Iggy in particular, I think, who was pretty Punkish (although I'm not sure if the term existed then).

    :rommie: Both, I suppose. It's Rock'n'Roll, after all.

    "Battle of New Orleans" definitely, but I don't recall "Sink the Bismarck." I certainly get your point, though.