The Chains of Error - Gibraltar/Full Speed Ahead Crossover

[TheLoneRedshirt]

Great job ZC and Gibraltar! Not quite an NC-17 (yet) but a definite R-rating thus far. Love the cover art, too.

One minor point (should have thought of this when I posted my alpha-read comments on the UT site) - T'Ser's reluctance to take the pheromone suppressor seems odd, considering her familiarity with Orions after seven years in the Border Service. Maybe there's some back-story there? Is she overly reliant on her Vulcan physiology for protection? Not a criticism, because I thought you captured T'Ser perfectly, just an observation.

This looks to be a fascinating story!

 

[Gibraltar]

Great job ZC and Gibraltar! Not quite an NC-17 (yet) but a definite R-rating thus far. Love the cover art, too.

One minor point (should have thought of this when I posted my alpha-read comments on the UT site) - T'Ser's reluctance to take the pheromone suppressor seems odd, considering her familiarity with Orions after seven years in the Border Service. Maybe there's some back-story there? Is she overly reliant on her Vulcan physiology for protection? Not a criticism, because I thought you captured T'Ser perfectly, just an observation.

This looks to be a fascinating story!

My thought was that it was both her reliance on her Vulcan physiology as well as her orientation. She simply thought she wouldn't need it. She knows better, of course, but her encounter with Ariel has discombobulated her somewhat... T'Ser's still trying to get her head around Ariel's apparent lack of ethics and overt manipulation of her supposed comrades.

 

[McCovey Cove]

Yeah, same with Ariel in Chains of Error or any other story for that matter. We collaborate with the other UT authors when our characters are being presented.

-- ZC

 

[TrekkieMonster]

Heh, Trekkie, now I'm curious as to what you thought of Ariel's performance in The Better Part of Valor.

-- ZC

I actually really liked it, particularly because there was a "reason" behind it. It advanced the story and gave insight into her character, not to mention bringing us closer Ethan so that the later turn of events had a greater impact. In addition to being steamy.

Gentlemen,

I also noted the similarity with DarKush's portrayal of Shelby. And, Gibraltar, you hit the nail on the head for me when you explained the difference here was the lack of consent. That actually made perfect sense to me. Well, that and the acknowledgement that, even in the 24th century, there will be the occasional prude.

Thanks again all for the insights. Can't wait for the next installment.

Ummm...TrekkieMonster...the portrayal of Liz Shelby that you see in the United Trek stories is mine, not DarKush's...

I hope you will accept my most humble apologies. Believe it or not, I do know that. I'm afraid I was literally thinking about the Crucible thing that Gibraltar had mentioned as I was writing that comment. I hope you will forgive me. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa.

 

[DavidFalkayn]

Heh, Trekkie, now I'm curious as to what you thought of Ariel's performance in The Better Part of Valor.

-- ZC

I actually really liked it, particularly because there was a "reason" behind it. It advanced the story and gave insight into her character, not to mention bringing us closer Ethan so that the later turn of events had a greater impact. In addition to being steamy.

Gentlemen,

I also noted the similarity with DarKush's portrayal of Shelby. And, Gibraltar, you hit the nail on the head for me when you explained the difference here was the lack of consent. That actually made perfect sense to me. Well, that and the acknowledgement that, even in the 24th century, there will be the occasional prude.

Thanks again all for the insights. Can't wait for the next installment.

Ummm...TrekkieMonster...the portrayal of Liz Shelby that you see in the United Trek stories is mine, not DarKush's...

I hope you will accept my most humble apologies. Believe it or not, I do know that. I'm afraid I was literally thinking about the Crucible thing that Gibraltar had mentioned as I was writing that comment. I hope you will forgive me. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa.

Don't feel bad--we often have trouble keeping all our characters straight!

 

[DarKush]

Well don't feel too bad Trekkie Monster. I have had the honor to write a few brief scenes for Captain Shelby, though unfortunately she and Terrence, to my knowledge, haven't had any adventures together except in CeJay's "These Times are A-Changin'". I'm glad that "Crucible" is on your mind though. If you get a chance to read it I would love to hear what you had to think.

As for "Chains", I think its starting out on solid footing.

 

[DavidFalkayn]

Well don't feel too bad Trekkie Monster. I have had the honor to write a few brief scenes for Captain Shelby, though unfortunately she and Terrence, to my knowledge, haven't had any adventures together except in CeJay's "These Times are A-Changin'". I'm glad that "Crucible" is on your mind though. If you get a chance to read it I would love to hear what you had to think.

As for "Chains", I think its starting out on solid footing.

We need to take care of that sometime, DarKush.

Perhaps after you get done with Maelstrom?

Right now, I've hit a wall with "Blood Cries". I'm going back to a Lexington story I've been working on that contains an important plot element to "Blood Cries"--perhaps spending time on that will help me clear that wall.

 

[McCovey Cove]

Pardon the interruption of your chatting, but I wanted to let you know that Chapter Two is now up and available at Ad Astra:

http://www.adastrafanfic.com/viewstory.php?sid=232&chapter=3

Chapter Three is coming soon.

-- ZC

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

That actually made perfect sense to me. Well, that and the acknowledgement that, even in the 24th century, there will be the occasional prude.

The way you phrase that, however, makes me wonder.

I find myself wondering if Federation (and especially human) society would show any tolerance towards those who do NOT offer themselves up before marriage. Would these people be treated as sick, or simply as disagreeing?

 

[McCovey Cove]

The way you phrase that, however, makes me wonder.

I find myself wondering if Federation (and especially human) society would show any tolerance towards those who do NOT offer themselves up before marriage. Would these people be treated as sick, or simply as disagreeing?

I would like to think that there's room for both philosophies, but I'm sure (as with any issue) there are extremists on both sides.

-- ZC

 

[SLWalker]

That actually made perfect sense to me. Well, that and the acknowledgement that, even in the 24th century, there will be the occasional prude.

The way you phrase that, however, makes me wonder.

I find myself wondering if Federation (and especially human) society would show any tolerance towards those who do NOT offer themselves up before marriage. Would these people be treated as sick, or simply as disagreeing?

I would hope they would. Even though it's not something that should be forced on anyone, abstinence still is an entirely valid choice.

 

[Gibraltar]

I would imagine that the concept of Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations is a closely held tenant by many species by the 24th century. Abstinence would be no more unusual or exotic a choice than the Andorians quad-marital groups. Freedom of choice, so long as those choices hurt no one else, would be widely accepted.

 

[DarKush]

Well don't feel too bad Trekkie Monster. I have had the honor to write a few brief scenes for Captain Shelby, though unfortunately she and Terrence, to my knowledge, haven't had any adventures together except in CeJay's "These Times are A-Changin'". I'm glad that "Crucible" is on your mind though. If you get a chance to read it I would love to hear what you had to think.

As for "Chains", I think its starting out on solid footing.

We need to take care of that sometime, DarKush.

Perhaps after you get done with Maelstrom?

Right now, I've hit a wall with "Blood Cries". I'm going back to a Lexington story I've been working on that contains an important plot element to "Blood Cries"--perhaps spending time on that will help me clear that wall.

We'll have to work something out. That sounds cool.

Hopefully I can finish Maelstrom/Aftershocks and then we'll see. I have a few stories unposted, but I'm in the process of trying to figure out where I want to take Dark Territory from 2377 on, so perhaps we can arrive at some kind of idea for a good collaboration.

 

[DavidFalkayn]

I find myself wondering if Federation (and especially human) society would show any tolerance towards those who do NOT offer themselves up before marriage. Would these people be treated as sick, or simply as disagreeing?

I would say that there most definitely is room for those who choose abstinence. Dr. Murakawa in my Sutherland series, for instance, is a committed Christian quite secure and content in her faith--Neo-Catholic--and is by no means promiscuous.

 

[TrekkieMonster]

That actually made perfect sense to me. Well, that and the acknowledgement that, even in the 24th century, there will be the occasional prude.

The way you phrase that, however, makes me wonder.

I find myself wondering if Federation (and especially human) society would show any tolerance towards those who do NOT offer themselves up before marriage. Would these people be treated as sick, or simply as disagreeing?

I would hope that Gibraltar is correct on this point. And I must offer my apologies for my poor choice of words. My sophomoric attempt at humor doesn't actually convey how I truly feel, or how I think things would be in the Trek future.

Well don't feel too bad Trekkie Monster. I have had the honor to write a few brief scenes for Captain Shelby, though unfortunately she and Terrence, to my knowledge, haven't had any adventures together except in CeJay's "These Times are A-Changin'". I'm glad that "Crucible" is on your mind though. If you get a chance to read it I would love to hear what you had to think.

As for "Chains", I think its starting out on solid footing.

I actually think I have read Crucible, as I do have a very strong sense of having been familiar with Diaz and her connection with Sandhurst. But, I will definitely go back and take a look to make sure.

Pardon the interruption of your chatting, but I wanted to let you know that Chapter Two is now up and available at Ad Astra:

http://www.adastrafanfic.com/viewstory.php?sid=232&chapter=3

Chapter Three is coming soon.

-- ZC

Yippee!! I'm zipping over there right now!!!

This is almost better than the icecream man coming.

 

[HyperionReborn]

I was very impressed with the preview you put up on the UT boards, so I'm going to go register on Ad Astra tonight so I can start reading the whole thing.

Ariel kinda takes me aback each time I read new FSA without having read it in a while. Her forthrightness and, well, wantonness(I think that's a word) always seems to take me off guard. Not that I'm objecting, mind you; I certainly agree that sexual mores would be more relaxed in the 24th century as humanity has matured, and Ariel's escapades are fun to read. (She's certainly enthusiastic about what she does. )

I always wonder after reading an FSA story about how she and Kieran Forester would interact; Kieran being a relatively straight-laced, unrepentant 23rd century prude.

 

[TrekkieMonster]

I don't know what to say. This is some great stuff. Really well written, and wonderfully interwoven. I loved the scenes between Sandhurst and Elannis, and Sandhurst and Diaz. But, my absolute favorite bit was Taiee's little aside before leaving the briefing. Any Gibraltar fan (meaning "fanatic", like me) had to know immediately what that meant ..., and I couldn't be happier!

"Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy night."

 

[TheLoneRedshirt]

Re: Chapter Two - excellent work! Both of you are to be commended for the quality and the substance of your writing. You've set up some potentially explosive conflict on both the interpersonal level and the Maquis/Starfleet level.

I expect a lot of noise and things to be broken. I'm quite confident I won't be disappointed.

 

[Gibraltar]

I don't know what to say. This is some great stuff. Really well written, and wonderfully interwoven. I loved the scenes between Sandhurst and Elannis, and Sandhurst and Diaz. But, my absolute favorite bit was Taiee's little aside before leaving the briefing. Any Gibraltar fan (meaning "fanatic", like me) had to know immediately what that meant ..., and I couldn't be happier!

"Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy night."

What's that you say? I'm listening.

 

[Mistral]

Finished Ch2. Great stuff, the attention to detail is fabulous. Your Maquis are actually sympathetic, unlike the suckers that swiped the Queen Elizabeth. Also cool that you alluded to that story. Keep it up!