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The Captain Edward Jellico Appreciation Society Thread!

In your opinion was Jellico a good or a bad Captain?


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Jellico has his lovers and haters, but, how do you think Picard might have acted in the same situation as Jellico if he was in command of the Enterprise, not hunting down Cardies super-mystery weapon... Maybe Picard might have done a better job than Eddie?
 
I like Picard, but Jellico showed that he had gotten a bit lax running the Enterprise. We don't see any of Jellico's changes rolled back once Picard regains the center seat.

It was disappointing to see the crew behave like children because their commander and mission profile had changed.
 
Jellico has his lovers and haters, but, how do you think Picard might have acted in the same situation as Jellico if he was in command of the Enterprise, not hunting down Cardies super-mystery weapon... Maybe Picard might have done a better job than Eddie?

How could he have done a better job? Jellico thwarted the Cardassian attack and got back an officer that had violated their territory.
 
How could he have done a better job? Jellico thwarted the Cardassian attack and got back an officer that had violated their territory.

Who knows, maybe something I said in an older post...

"Jellico expected too much and too fast from the crew in a possibly dangerous situation.
On a mission that may prevent a war, don't start changing crew rotations and change everything, maybe that can wait until you've avoided the war with a crew that is in a familiar surrounding."
 
"Jellico expected too much and too fast from the crew in a possibly dangerous situation.

On a mission that may prevent a war, don't start changing crew rotations and change everything, maybe that can wait until you've avoided the war with a crew that is in a familiar surrounding."

That's non-sense. The crew of the Enterprise are supposed to be professionals. And he asked nothing of them that couldn't be done, even Data said so...

Chain of Command I said:
DATA: That is an attainable goal, but it will require realigning the warp coil and taking the secondary distribution grid offline.
JELLICO: Very good, Data. That's exactly what I want you to do.
LAFORGE: If we take this grid offline, we're going to have to shut down exobiology, the astrophysics lab and geological research.
JELLICO: We're not on a research mission. Get it done in two days.
DATA: I believe that is also an attainable goal. If we utilise the entire Engineering department, there should be sufficient manpower available to complete the task.
LAFORGE: Sure, if everybody works around the clock for the next two days.
JELLICO: Then you'd better get to it, Geordi. It looks like you have some work to do. Data.

Yes, you're asking your folks to work hard on a tight schedule. But that work may end up saving their collective lives.
 
That's non-sense. The crew of the Enterprise are supposed to be professionals. And he asked nothing of them that couldn't be done, even Data said so...

I wouldn't call it non-sense.
If everybody are doing what they've been doing and used to, things might go along smoother than changing things around and immediately heading into a fight.
 
If everybody are doing what they've been doing and used to, things might go along smoother than changing things around and immediately heading into a fight.

So the Enterprise should've went into a war zone with its engines making 15 percent less power, so as to not hurt anyone's feelings or upset their routine?

They were going into a potential war zone, whether they were ready or not. I'd prefer to be lead by the guy who understands how important it is to be prepared. The preparation may save your life.
 
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That's non-sense. The crew of the Enterprise are supposed to be professionals. And he asked nothing of them that couldn't be done, even Data said so...



Yes, you're asking your folks to work hard on a tight schedule. But that work may end up saving their collective lives.
This illustrates one of the things I loved about the whole story. Data was acting more like a First Officer than the First Officer. My favorite moment was seeing Data in command red and Jellico saying "Data, I want to be in Minos Corva in one hour." And Data didn't argue, didn't question, didn't get into some deep philosophical debate about it. He just gave the orders necessary to get the Enterprise to Minos Corva in one hour...cause, y'know, getting the captain what he wants is the First Officer's freaking job.
 
I blame the 'we are not soldiers, we are explorers crap' that Picard believed in.
If Starfleet does not believe in military exercises or that it is de facto a military operation then a captain like Jellico would not exist. And someone else would be doing the job that Enterprise and its crew were expected to do.
 
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Its just a different style thays all. Jellicho was something different and people hate change.
They are in Starfleet. As Kirk said in a TOS episode risk (and change) is part of their business, or else what the heck are they doing exploring unknown parts of the galaxy?
 
I'd prefer to be lead by the guy who understands how important it is to be prepared.

Are you saying Picard wouldn't understand to be prepared if going into a possible warzone?

Who knows what he might have done had he been in command.
 
Who knows what he might have done had he been in command.

If he was smart, he would've demanded the same changes Jellico did. Moving from three shifts to four leaves your people looking at screens (computer monitors) for two hours less at a time, which should decrease potential errors. Improving the preparedness of the Enterprise makes it more likely to survive a combat encounter.
 
What do you mean if, Picard seems to be a smart dude. :)

It is weird though, Picard and Riker both come off poorly where the Enterprise is concerned in "Chain of Command". If they had pushed the envelope a little bit, LaForge and his staff wouldn't have ended up having to make massive upgrades to the ship in a short period of time.
 
Been a while since I've seen "Chain of Command", so I ordered the Blu-ray version of the two episodes from Amazon. I'll see if my feelings about Jellico and the episodes overall have changed since the last time I saw them.
 
If they had pushed the envelope a little bit, LaForge and his staff wouldn't have ended up having to make massive upgrades to the ship in a short period of time.

Maybe Picard & Riker do those "upgrades" when needed, for example when the Borg arrived to Federation space.

When all is calm and fine, things aren't as tightly controlled. Perhaps the things Jellico ordered for LaForge to do are common in a crisis but Jellico just demanded all the changes had to be done too fast.

Picard might be aware all of the upgrades and use them sometimes. When Jellico took command, Enterprise was in a "pleasure cruiser / exploration mode".
 
When Jellico took command, Enterprise was in a "pleasure cruiser / exploration mode".

Which is a terrible way to run things when lives could be in danger at a moments notice.

Picard wasn't all soft and cuddly all the time, and fans tend to give him a pass...

Encounter at Farpoint said:
PICARD: Acknowledged. Commander Riker will conduct a manual docking. Picard out.
RIKER: Sir?
PICARD: You've reported in, haven't you? You are qualified?
RIKER: Yes, sir.
PICARD: Then I mean now, Commander.

Picard simply isn't being treated the same way Jellico is. Jellico is held to a different standard because he is the new guy. If Riker had responded to Picard the way he did Jellico, he would've been looking for a new posting.
 
I think Jellico's mistake was to imply that his captaincy of the Enterprise was permanent. That Picard was done. But we all saw from the way the two-part episode unfolded, Picard got his command back. Why? What happened to that permanency?

If Jellico made it clear that he was in charge for the duration of the mission, I think he'd have gotten more cooperation from the crew. They would have anticipated Picard's eventual return, so they'd treat the difficult changes as something temporary, and do their best for the duration. Otherwise, thinking of Picard as completely gone really hurt morale! That was a mistake. And it made it harder to like Jellico.

I think as a starship captain in a tough military spot, Jellico had some justification for being hard on the crew, essentially converting day-to-day operations from "exploratory" to "battle-ready". But... he could have been more pleasant to the crew. "Riker, I know this is going to be difficult for a crew so honed on exploratory missions versus military, but we've got to get this done. Are you with me?" A few choice words and a smoother delivery would have worked in Jellico's favor with VERY LITTLE effort.
 
I think as a starship captain in a tough military spot, Jellico had some justification for being hard on the crew, essentially converting day-to-day operations from "exploratory" to "battle-ready". But... he could have been more pleasant to the crew. "Riker, I know this is going to be difficult for a crew so honed on exploratory missions versus military, but we've got to get this done. Are you with me?" A few choice words and a smoother delivery would have worked in Jellico's favor with VERY LITTLE effort.

I disagree. Jellico was cordial with Riker right up until he found out his orders weren't being carried out. Riker's time to object to those orders were when they were given, not at a time of his choosing later on. Jellico even mentions to Troi that he wished he had time for a honeymoon, but simply didn't.

As far as the change of command being permanent, big damned deal. The orders were likely given to Jellico with Starfleet not expecting Picard to return from the mission. In their mind, they were permanent. No one should expect to go crying to big daddy Picard.

Any organization expects you to carry out the orders of the person in charge. They are the ones on the hook if things go bad.
 
I think Jellico's mistake was to imply that his captaincy of the Enterprise was permanent. That Picard was done. But we all saw from the way the two-part episode unfolded, Picard got his command back. Why? What happened to that permanency?

If Jellico made it clear that he was in charge for the duration of the mission, I think he'd have gotten more cooperation from the crew. They would have anticipated Picard's eventual return, so they'd treat the difficult changes as something temporary, and do their best for the duration. Otherwise, thinking of Picard as completely gone really hurt morale! That was a mistake. And it made it harder to like Jellico.

I think as a starship captain in a tough military spot, Jellico had some justification for being hard on the crew, essentially converting day-to-day operations from "exploratory" to "battle-ready". But... he could have been more pleasant to the crew. "Riker, I know this is going to be difficult for a crew so honed on exploratory missions versus military, but we've got to get this done. Are you with me?" A few choice words and a smoother delivery would have worked in Jellico's favor with VERY LITTLE effort.


I agree that Jellico could have handled it better as you point out in your third paragraph. However, he did say that he didn't have time for a honeymoon with the crew. I think it's entirely possible that Jellico under different circumstances would have been more likable and less rigid.
I don't agree with you that he should have said he was only in command for the duration of the mission. A commander has to command as if he's in charge and will be forever. I remember a line from the Movie Midway. Robert Mitchum, playing Admiral Halsey, tells Henry Fonda, playing Nimitz, "You once told me, When you're in command... command!"
 
Its either fan lore or perhaps canon that Starfleet only takes the best and the Enterprise is one of the best ships to work one. Its not a pleasure cruise, its not an office job. Those guys were officers, not enlisted personnel, they should expect a change of command at a moment's notice. Picard's senior staff were spoiled babies. Jellico gave valid orders, he is there to be their captain, not their best buddy.
 
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Enough with this "permanent or temporary" nonsense. There is such a thing called a "temporary duty assignment," TDY. If Starfleet Command considered Jellico's command of the ship a TDY assignment, they would have told him, Picard and the crew it was a TDY assignment.

There was a Change of Command ceremony, where Picard was relieved of his command of the Enterprise and Jellico was ordered to assume command of the Enterprise. Nobody had to walk around saying "temporary this" or "temporary that" because the only people with the right to say that - their mutual superiors - made Captain Edward Jellico the rightful commanding officer of the Federation Starship Enterprise, and anyone with half a brain would have to accept that assignment as permanent unless and until there is another Change of Command ceremony. If their intention had always been to return Picard to the center seat on Enterprise, then you have no idea when or if that second ceremony will take place because you don't know if Picard's going to live through the mission he was sent on, so you have to assume the assignment is permanent because Command hasn't said otherwise and circumstances may force the issue.

Also, I'm getting a little tired of people talking about how "hard" changing procedures aboard the Enterprise would be because canon proves otherwise. We are talking about episodes in season 6 of TNG. If you'd been watching the series straight through the past five and a half seasons you know that the technology aboard the Enterprise-D is designed to facilitate change. The Galaxy Class starship and the systems inside her are the epitome of an Open Design Architecture. You can configure each control surface to whatever set-up you need. You can change the way the main deflector and shields operate for any given situation. You can make the Bussard Collectors expel material instead of attracting it. You can redesign systems using the holodeck and even create new systems there and tie them into the operation of the ship. In five and a half years the crew of the Enterprise has reconfigured the ship's systems to do things that I'm sure the engineers at Utopia Planitia would have told you to go pound sand if you'd suggested making them standard functions when they built the thing, and they often did those things under serious time pressure.

So the notion that the changes Jellico wanted them to make in a day or too would have been "too hard" is utter bullshit. They could do it, because they have done things just as hard and in just as little time, and the only reason it was harder in this instance was because they spent more time whining about the changes than actually making them.

"But Jellico was mean! He shouldn't have been mean!" :rolleyes: Pay attention: In the history of human beings being called "Captain" and being given command of ships, never once has being nice been a job requirement. He doesn't have to be your friend, he doesn't have to be your bro, he doesn't have to join you and the other officers for poker, he doesn't have to be your father figure. His only function is to make decisions and issue orders based on those decisions, and it is the job of his subordinates to follow those orders, period.

(Got that off my chest...)
 
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