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The Bridge

TOS set the tone and it is hard to tell Trek stories without the all knowing SCIENCE office, the crusty or concerned good doctor and your techno-wizard. You can certainly tell stories, but they do not feel like Trek. DIS wanted to do it their way, break the molds, brave new world! Didn't work. Sometimes you have molds for a reason.
 
The whole point of the quasi-military status of Starfleet is to have a hierarchy that sees crew reporting to a department head who in turn takes all their credit as part of the Captain's inner circle.
 
So why was Tilly (cadet/ensign) placed in a high command position?
That's in the third season and has no bearing on my comment about the second season. But if you feel this is the time and place to discuss, that plot point, then by the time they needed to select a new XO:
-Saru's not eligible to be XO since he's now Captain.
-Michael was removed from the position.
-Nhan had left the ship.
-Reno would tell Saru to fuck off if he offered the job to her.
-Space Whale Guy might have stayed behind in the 23rd century.
 
Because she's in the main cast, and Nilsson (who would actually make SENSE as the new XO) isn't.

My fan theory is that Tilly is the only one (outside of Saru and Michael) who is command-qualified (Command Training Program). All those Lieutenants on the Bridge (even Nilsson) are specialists and haven't been cross-trained in multiple fields to properly fully command the ship in an emergency. Saru was skirting regulations and safety when he put the former shuttle bay supervisor-turned-spore drive engineer Nilsson in acting command of the bridge.

Also, pulling Nilsson out of her necessary job of coordinating spore drive operations, or any of the skeleton crew from their posts, is dangerous. Tilly was always just a random floater. Now she has a job to keep her occupied.
 
Hollyweird logic. The biggest paycheck gets command.
They are entitled to more lines than a guest star so.....If they had made the Tilly role a Lieutenant jg instead, her role would still work and the promotion to XO a little more palatable, considering the Kirk-Kelvin fiasco
 
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The are entitled to more lines than a guest star so.....If they had made the Tilly role a Lieutenant jg instead, her role would still work and the promotion to XO a little more palatable, considering the Kirk-Kelvin fiasco

You are correct, but they did not.
 
My fan theory is that Tilly is the only one (outside of Saru and Michael) who is command-qualified (Command Training Program). All those Lieutenants on the Bridge (even Nilsson) are specialists and haven't been cross-trained in multiple fields to properly fully command the ship in an emergency. Saru was skirting regulations and safety when he put the former shuttle bay supervisor-turned-spore drive engineer Nilsson in acting command of the bridge.

Also, pulling Nilsson out of her necessary job of coordinating spore drive operations, or any of the skeleton crew from their posts, is dangerous. Tilly was always just a random floater. Now she has a job to keep her occupied.
That is my theory as well. Starfleet doesn't appear big on cross-specialization when it comes to command. I know Eddington is an unreliable narrator but he comments that those who want the center chair can't just stay in other disciplines. We see that Picard could have gone the science track, and Janeway started on the science track before moving to command. But, we rarely see command level officers outside of the command track, even admirals. There are occasional exceptions but they seem few and far between.

So, your point about Tilly, who had been in the command training program, makes sense. She sounds like a unrestricted line officer, vs. a more restricted line officer, to use the US Navy comparison.
 
How many Captains would be in Starfleet at the same time? I’m sure it’s not an exact number and probably never mentioned, but what would be a guess?
 
How many Captains would be in Starfleet at the same time? I’m sure it’s not an exact number and probably never mentioned, but what would be a guess?

That would depend on your view of how large Starfleet is. The larger Starfleet is the more Captains you need, and everything else for that matter. See: The Size of Space.
 
In DSC S2, in the late 2250s, we get a reference to some 7,000 ships in active Starfleet service. How many of those would have a Captain as a CO? No telling. But in TOS S1, Kirk is doing a job "one in a million" could do. That's a few thousand humans, give or take, and a few million UFP folks overall if the DSC and later DS9 references to wars affecting "trillions" are to be considered. :vulcan:

Probably at least tens of thousands of people at Captain rank, then. And a Starfleet that is big enough to do what it is seen doing - which does not entail, say,

1) winning wars against Klingons who can cloak
2) responding to colonial distress calls in time
3) finding out what happened to fellow starships in less than six months
4) stopping random riffraff from operating within UFP borders, or penetrating said, the heavily fortified RNZ nothwithstanding in the latter sense

So we can't really go by any "Starfleet ought to be this big" metric, but have to rely on what we actually hear about the size. Which includes the 7,000-ship remark from DSC, the reference to a dozen Fleets of at least half a thousand ships apiece in DS9, and the ability to kick up ten thousand relief ships for PIC. Little is known about the non-starship aspects of the organization: starbase numbers go up to the 700s (TNG) or 200s (TOS), say, but we know there are gaps in the scheme, and we know starbase size varies rather extremely.

Then there's the Academy. As far as we know, there still is only the one. But as far as we know, it's the size of the city of San Francisco, and yearly attendance is in the millions...

Timo Saloniemi
 
But in TOS S1, Kirk is doing a job "one in a million" could do.
I got the opinion that Stone was talking about those that join Starfleet vs. those that become Starship captains. Still, that's a lot of people that have joined Starfleet. Current snapshot in time, twelve Starships gives 12 million people in Starfleet. Over the last hundred years, who knows?
 
An interesting take! Especially if there are 7,000 starships out there... (This is the only instance of anybody uttering anything like "there are X starships" in this timeframe, there being no comparable utterance when the figure "dozen" is mentioned in "Tomorrow is Yesterday", say!)

Timo Saloniemi
 
An interesting take! Especially if there are 7,000 starships out there... (This is the only instance of anybody uttering anything like "there are X starships" in this timeframe, there being no comparable utterance when the figure "dozen" is mentioned in "Tomorrow is Yesterday", say!)

Timo Saloniemi
There are starships, and there are Starship class ships. Stone's status board showed 10 Starships, probably at Starbase 11. I guess they were amassing for the upcoming Klingon war. :whistle:
 
...Or then those were starships with lowercase s.

But perhaps they were Starships, and every base from SB1 through to SB200 had ten of those on the average!

Timo Saloniemi
 
The figures change whenever we see them. I take a gamest view. I look at the size of the patrol area, the speed of the ships and calculate the number you need to do a decent job. I have not done this for TOS, but I did for TNG and it was a fleet of 40,000 front line ships, and twice as many support ships. A Starfleet of 80,000,000. Of that maybe 50,000 are Captains in some role, as high as 100,000.

But you need to define the parameters whether you agree with mine of not.
 
We know what happens when the captain and bridge crew are off-shift...

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