The Big Bang Might Not Have Happened

[Phoenix219]

Might get me ridiculed for heralding pseudo science, but here are some rather interesting links concerning the Cosmic Microwave Background and the Big Bang.

https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2013/11/29/common-misconception-10-why-dispute-the-big-bang/

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[StarCruiser]

^ HERETICS!

Not really...in science, there should be no heresy.

 

[Santaman]

A theory is a theory, sometimes they'll get debunked, even if it is the big bang theory, kinda fascinating if it would be disproven by something else.

 

[Qonundrum]

At least there won't be a Big Crunch then.

But at least there will always be crunchberries, fortified with real vitamins and minerals... oh, and tons of yummyhyper sugar. I've got to avoid that stuff...

 

[rahullak]

Article from the Discover magazine: Could the Big Bang be Wrong?

I’ve come across many proposed alternatives to the Big Bang, but I’ve never seen one that deals honestly and comprehensively with the vast observational evidence that our universe had a hot, dense beginning about 13.8 billion years ago. The closest to a true outsider alternative that I know of is the plasma-cosmology model of Eric Lerner, a plasma physicist who developed a cult following for his view that the Big Bang never happened. His model is thoroughly inconsistent with the data, however.

At the same time, it is important to be open about how much we don’t know. It is not only possible, it is absolutely certain that our understanding of the Big Bang is incomplete.

 

[Dryson]

If anti-matter and matter collided to create the Big Bang and Cosmologists have determined the Universe to be nearly 14 billion years old, then what process was at work prior to the Big Bang that brought anti-matter and matter together? We know that Einstein stated that gravity must exist in order for matter to have mass. We also know that gravity prior to the Big Bang did not exist either due to stars and black holes creating the gravity that Einstein uses as his speed limit did not exist.


Matter in motion has kinetic energy. In order for matter and anti-matter to have motion and maintain a kinetic value then a force would had to have been present prior to the Big Bang that moved matter and anti-matter around and eventually caused them to collide. Otherwise both forms of matter would never have collided. Both forms of matter would have simply been at an infinite state of rest.


The fact that a force moving both forms of matter around that Einstein's Theories cannot prove based on his gravitational equations that are based on the gravity produced by stars, planets and black holes did and still does exist.


The age of the Universe is the proof. Since there is an ability to determine the age the Universe from a starting pointing that is approx 14 billion years old then the starting point proves that an interaction between matter and anti-matter did take place outside of the laws that Einstein states governs all matter in the Universe.

Einstein's Laws break down inside of a black hole as well as prior to the Big Bang. The fact that matter and anti-matter existed prior to the Big Bang proves that Einstein's Laws are not the governing factor of matter and anti-matter.


So how does anti-matter and matter exist and move around a void prior to the Big Bang where gravity, based on Einstein's Laws and models, did not exist?

 

[Phoenix219]

There is a lot of interesting speculation (and more than one model) in the plasma/electric universe paradigm. Its the most fascinating thing i've found in ages. Wal Thornhill, Anthony Peratt, Don Scott, Jno Cook, Haltan Arp, David Talbot, etc have put together some very interesting work - I highly suggest checking out the "Space News" videos on the "thunderbolts project" Youtube page. Its very scientific and logically presented - its basically a scientific mechanism and explanation for Velikovskian style catastraphe in human history and makes one really wonder, if we don't really know half of what we think we know.

 

[Mytran]

Unfortunately there's no way to investigate what happened prior to the initial expansion of our universe, so we will likely never know

 

[Phoenix219]

Might not be expanding - might be a misinterpretation of redshift.

 

[Phoenix219]

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=16675

https://www.reddit.com/r/Thunderbolts/comments/6v21v1/expanding_universe_red_shift_myth_debunked_by/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Thunderbol...rinsic_redshift_and_how_it_could_be_produced/

https://www.everythingselectric.com/red-face-shift/
https://www.everythingselectric.com/redshift/

just some random discussions on the topic from around the interwebs.... alternative points of view are fascinating.