Please, enlighten me as to what 'plot holes' (more like 'Muh canon's been violated'*) exist in all three movies.
*Oh, about canon, Leonard Nimoy summed it up very well.
The Big 3's takeover of GQ
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Please, enlighten me as to what 'plot holes' (more like 'Muh canon's been violated'*) exist in all three movies.
*Oh, about canon, Leonard Nimoy summed it up very well.
The Dominion being from the Gamma Quadrant was fine. Ira Behr stated that the creation of the Dominion was motivated by the desire to flesh out the Gamma Quadrant other than just another unknown region of space. We were always going to get an antagonist from the Gamma Quadrant, just the names might have been different, and the exploration of Gamma was always going to drop off once this enemy was established and all the different story arcs began to take shape. https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Dominion#Background_information
Again, you don't need canon, just common sense. This isn't the forum for ST movies, but if you do a Google search for "plot holes" for each of the movies, you'll have plenty of excellent reading. I appreciate your passion over it, sorry that your feelings were hurt. But enlightenment is a Google search away.
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The greek alphabet quadrant naming was made-up for the TNG episode 'The Price' and is just shorthand so the people in the episode could talk about stuff being far away and the audience immediately gets it. In-universe it's usage by inhabitants of the different quadrants makes about as much sense as there being two universes in a show and they call them Earth 1 and Earth 2. It's just a Star Trek naming or language convention that saves time and expresses an idea quickly.
Whether the Dominion controls the entire GQ doesn't really matter. They don't control the space around the wormhole until Season 5 and that's the status quo until the show ends.
Whether the Dominion controls the entire GQ doesn't really matter. They don't control the space around the wormhole until Season 5 and that's the status quo until the show ends.
The primary purpose of introducing the Gamma Quadrant was to provide some sort of strategic interest in Bejor via the wormhole. By making Deep Space Nine into a crossroads - a focal point for inter-quadrant exploration, and possibly trade - it allowed the stories to come to them, rather than having to go to the stories. Without the GQ - and without the Wormhole - you'd have to invent some sort of new strategic reason for Bejor being important. Not only that, but it would have to be a brand new reason, because the Cardassians aren't going to abandon the Bejoran occupation in that case.
I think The Dominion was a good idea overall, but I think the decision in the later seasons to show it as nothing other than The Founders, Vorta, and Jem'Hadar was a mistake. Yes, I understand that the other races in The Dominion were effectively subject races, with little role in administration. However, The Dominion was explicitly set up as being an "anti-Federation" - a union of many disparate races which was opposed to The Federation's ideals. I wish they kept with that concept. But in terms of other Dominion races, we only really ever met the Karemma (who functioned as traders) and several groups of refugees. It would have helped flesh out the GQ more if we had run into a few other Dominion races, even if they weren't given "plots of the week."
I think The Dominion was a good idea overall, but I think the decision in the later seasons to show it as nothing other than The Founders, Vorta, and Jem'Hadar was a mistake. Yes, I understand that the other races in The Dominion were effectively subject races, with little role in administration. However, The Dominion was explicitly set up as being an "anti-Federation" - a union of many disparate races which was opposed to The Federation's ideals. I wish they kept with that concept. But in terms of other Dominion races, we only really ever met the Karemma (who functioned as traders) and several groups of refugees. It would have helped flesh out the GQ more if we had run into a few other Dominion races, even if they weren't given "plots of the week."
Lots of great points. But I would argue that it was more than enough for 1 show to have the plotline of Bajor, the Cardassians, the Federation, and also the Maquis. That's a lot right there. There were plenty of ways that those story arcs could've been put together in a more sensible way.
The introduction of the Breen as an adversary demonstrated that all along it was more than doable to have an AQ enemy rather than lumping in 1/2 of the overall ST galaxy. It was late in the series and extremely undeveloped, but nobody batted an eye at the idea of an AQ power getting involved against the Federation. I liked the Dominion for a few things, but overall it was a waste for reasons that have already been laid out. There were more than enough plotlines to work with.
And with the Breen, therein lies the whole alternative for how the Dominion could've come about. People insist that as something "new" and unheard of, the Dominion must therefore come from a different part of the galaxy, but the simple solution would've been to just make them a "new alliance" of existing powers, an alliance between Cardassians, Breen and maybe someone else, all calling their alliance "the Dominion." Since so little was known about the Breen, you could've even had them as the creators of the Jem-Hadar. It doesn't really require too much stretching of the imagination.
The whole idea of the "necessity" of the GQ is flawed from the get-go, and it would've been a neat opportunity to develop the Breen - who'd already been talked about for years in TNG and DS9 - and instead they ended up being as undeveloped as anybody in the unorganized mishmash of nameless enemies. I still would encourage anyone to take the survey that was posted earlier. I'll copy and paste it below, adding the Breen in:
- How many of the Founders, besides Odo, would you say you really go to know as recurring in-depth characters?
My answer: ONE
- How many of the Vorta would you say you really got to know as recurring in-depth characters?
My answer: ONE
- How many of the Jem-Hadar would you say you really got to know as recurring in-depth characters?
My answer: ZERO
- How many of the Breen would you say you really got to know as recurring in-depth characters?
My answer: ZERO
This, my friends, is the Dominion we spent years with.
The whole idea of the "necessity" of the GQ is flawed from the get-go, and it would've been a neat opportunity to develop the Breen - who'd already been talked about for years in TNG and DS9 - and instead they ended up being as undeveloped as anybody in the unorganized mishmash of nameless enemies. I still would encourage anyone to take the survey that was posted earlier. I'll copy and paste it below, adding the Breen in:
- How many of the Founders, besides Odo, would you say you really go to know as recurring in-depth characters?
My answer: ONE
- How many of the Vorta would you say you really got to know as recurring in-depth characters?
My answer: ONE
- How many of the Jem-Hadar would you say you really got to know as recurring in-depth characters?
My answer: ZERO
- How many of the Breen would you say you really got to know as recurring in-depth characters?
My answer: ZERO
This, my friends, is the Dominion we spent years with.
