The best Jem'Hadar episodes?

[ReadyAndWilling]

Hey guys, I've become a huge fan of the Jem'Hadar and was hoping someone could list the best Jem'Hadar episodes. Not necessarily the best action driven stories, but the ones where we get to know their beliefs and how the reasoning behind their behavior. Any episode where they are preparing for battle and marching into battle would marvelous too.

Thanks guys.

 

[Jono]

To The Death
Hippocratic Oath
Rocks & Shoals
One Little Ship

Those would probably be the only episodes were we really get a look at the Jem'Hadar.

Oh yeah, plus The Abandoned

 

[Navaros]

Like Jono said and with the addition of one:

The Jem'Hadar (this is actually the episode name of the Season 2 finale)
The Abandoned
Hippocratic Oath
To the Death
Rocks and Shoals
One Little Ship

All top-notch Jemmy episodes.

Unfortunately in the other episodes that have them, they are mostly mindless generic cattle and often plot contrivances rather than characters. In the episodes above they are made into actual characters instead.

There's a few seconds of some good Jemmy-zapping at the end of The Siege of AR-558, but it doesn't really show them marching into battle or anything like that. They do mindlessly charge into an entrenched DS9 crew though.

 

[CDP]

you might want to add 'By Inferno's light'

 

[Navaros]

^

Ah yes, that's indeed a great Jemmy episode too. Good call.

 

[ReadyAndWilling]

Alright thanks guys!

Going to take me a while to get through these.

 

[Photon]

All of them!

There are no bad Jem episodes

 

[Marie1]

^ Agreed.
Did anyone mention "In Purgatory's Shadow?"

I'll look and see if I can come up with anything else...
(Other than "all of them" haha!)

 

[RyuRoots]

Thirding "Rocks and Shoals". Whoever played Remata'klan (sp?) did a great job. "Hippocratic Oath" is a favorite of mine, too.

 

[tomalak301]

By Inferno's Light
Rocks and Shoals
The Abandoned (It featured one Jem'Hadar, but there was so much stuff to learn about the species)
Hippocratic Oath

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

Thirding "Rocks and Shoals". Whoever played Remata'klan (sp?) did a great job.

It was Phil Morris under all that make-up.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Phil_Morris

 

[Danny99]

I don't agree with "One Little Ship" as a "best" Jem'Hadar episode.

They were made to look like fools for the story needs.

But I do recommend "Rocks And Shoals", "Hippocratic Oath", and "By Inferno's Light"

 

[Nightdiamond]

I choose "To the Death", the Jem Hadar are made to look really creepy, intimidating and dangerous.

The scene where First Ometiklan breaks his Second's neck, for simply getting into fight and disobeying an order for the second time.

The tension between Weyoun and Ometiklan.

The way the Second picked fights and tried to boss everyone around..

Worf's confrontation with him, and the first Klingon/Jem Hadar confrontation...

The weird ritual of distributing the "White"

And the extra information we get about them and the Dominion..

Throw in a "must go in and destroy them close up" plot, and I found it pretty interesting and made an impact...


I always liked the Jem Hadar episodes, they were such unique, nearly weird characters, they were interesting to watch...

 

[Marie1]

I don't agree with "One Little Ship" as a "best" Jem'Hadar episode.

They were made to look like fools for the story needs.

But I do recommend "Rocks And Shoals", "Hippocratic Oath", and "By Inferno's Light"

Not quite, I think- the older, normal, Gamma Jem'Hadar were fine. The elder was right on- it was the new Alphas that were stupid- showing that Founders and Vorta are dumb... or seriously underestimating the AQ species.

I choose "To the Death", the Jem Hadar are made to look really creepy, intimidating and dangerous.

The weird ritual of distributing the "White"

I always liked the Jem Hadar episodes, they were such unique, nearly weird characters, they were interesting to watch...

We are not creepy and weird!! The Borg are creepy!! The Talaxians are weird. Or those guy who want "stuff" from TNG.

And our White rituals... are done by Vorta... who are a pain...



We are "intimidating and dangerous" though...

 

[DevilEyes]

I don't agree with "One Little Ship" as a "best" Jem'Hadar episode.

They were made to look like fools for the story needs.

But I do recommend "Rocks And Shoals", "Hippocratic Oath", and "By Inferno's Light"

Not quite, I think- the older, normal, Gamma Jem'Hadar were fine. The elder was right on- it was the new Alphas that were stupid- showing that Founders and Vorta are dumb... or seriously underestimating the AQ species.

That was the main weakness of the Dominion... The Founders' and Vorta's overconfidence, feeling of superiority and severe underestimation of non-Dominion species. You just have to look at how they, and Weyoun in particular, managed to completely alienate Damar and the Cardassians in general and practically provoked them into a rebellion.

 

[Navaros]

^

That's right, the Dominion certainly fubared at the end due to overconfidence.

On the other hand, Weyoun displays a great wisdom in these matters when he is occupying the station and telling Dukat (who was overconfident at that time, unlike Weyoun) that they have not achieved victory just because they have the station, and that they would require massive occupation armies to hold the Federation, and even then the Federation is only the beginning etc.

Also, he displayed a great wisdom in preferring to conquer via diplomacy rather than by combat.

I guess they had to make the Dominion devolve into being kinda dumb at the end and retcon Dukat's overconfidence onto Weyoun or they'd have no way tack-on an ending where they lose.

Personally, I would have preferred if they kept the Dominion smart and had them win.

 

[Nightdiamond]

Ok, Ok, Unique creatures then, lol..They made a real impression in To the Death, and made us forget about the Klingons for a moment..


As for the Alpha versus Gammas, that seemed to be an example of over micro managing things.

Breed Alpha Quadrant Jem Hadar to have their psychology better suited for fighting Alpha Quandrant species.

It didn't seem to work, at least in that mission- the Alpha passsed up every opportunity to succeed in the mission and practically handed the ship back to Sisko...even Sisko taunted them at the end with what they should have done, wow..

 

[Marie1]

Unfortunately he was talking to the Gamma- preaching to the choir.

 

[ReadyAndWilling]

I guess they had to make the Dominion devolve into being kinda dumb at the end and retcon Dukat's overconfidence onto Weyoun or they'd have no way tack-on an ending where they lose.

Personally, I would have preferred if they kept the Dominion smart and had them win.

Yeah man, I agree with this 100%. They did something similar in Voyager with the Borg. How else can the 'good guys' win?

 

[ReadyAndWilling]

^ Agreed.
Did anyone mention "In Purgatory's Shadow?"

I'll look and see if I can come up with anything else...
(Other than "all of them" haha!)

thanks, i'll try to watch that.

are there any others that haven't been mentioned in the thread?