^Exactly. Numbers change in ways that have no connection to names. So why assume that there had to be a previous NX-01 ship named Dauntless?
The beginning of the end?
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Doesn't have to be, but as far as throwaway nods to what come before that don't really do any harm, I still think it'd be neat to see the NX-01 Ent become the Dauntless at some point. Perhaps a political ploy because somebody didn't like Archer, but couldn't do much because of his other, stellar accomplishments.
^Well, there are real-world factors that make that unlikely. How could there be books titled Star Trek: Enterprise about a ship that wasn't named Enterprise?
I dunno, you're the wordy-writey person
Seriously though, like I said it could be a political type thing for the renaming, and the crew is rightfully pissed about it, and they still secretly call themselves Enterprise crew members, and they swear to make sure the Federation never forgets the name...Enterprise.
I wasn't aware that the writers of "Hope and Fear" were expected to know about a TV series that did not, at the time, exist.
No, but the writers of Enterprise should have known about the episode Hope and Fear.
I wasn't aware that the writers of "Hope and Fear" were expected to know about a TV series that did not, at the time, exist.
No, but the writers of Enterprise should have known about the episode Hope and Fear.
Even if Voyager had conclusively proven the first Starfleet ship was called Dauntless and it was numbered NX-01, which it didn't, the Enterprise writers still could have changed it without any trouble at all. Just ask James R. Kirk or the USS Yamato NCC-1305-E. Or Zephram Cochrane of Montana Centauri.
^Right. The producers of a TV show are under no obligation to be slavishly faithful to every tiny detail, because they're making the production for the benefit of the millions of casual viewers who won't remember and won't care, not the scattered few hundred obsessives who waste their lives complaining about inconsistencies on bulletin boards (a group which includes me, of course). The thing about fiction as opposed to reality is that you can rewrite it. The creators of fictional worlds have the power to refine and modify them as they go, so they can make improvements and don't have to be trapped by old limitations or mistakes. It doesn't have to be perfectly consistent, because they can pretend it's consistent, since the whole thing is all just pretend anyway. If it's something important like a matter of characterization or a crucial story thread, then a failure of continuity is a problem; but if it's something as inconsequential as a number somebody stuck on a model, it's really no big deal.
I dunno, you're the wordy-writey person
Seriously though, like I said it could be a political type thing for the renaming, and the crew is rightfully pissed about it, and they still secretly call themselves Enterprise crew members, and they swear to make sure the Federation never forgets the name...Enterprise.
Can't do that now as you've just given it out as a story idea. Well, there's your idea down the toilet.
To be fair, the post that started this (which Mr. Laser Beam was replying to) wasn't complaining about inconsistencies and blaming the TV producers for making mistakes, it was just suggesting for the novels to acknowledge them.
^But I wasn't responding to the post that started this, I was responding to Mysterion's comment that the producers of ENT "should have known," as if slavish adherence to every tiny, irrelevant detail were some sort of obligation that they'd fallen short of.
I never implied a slavish adherenace to anything. that hull number is pretty prominenetly featured in the Voyager epsiode in question. It's not like it's on some bridge screen somewhere where you'd have to have a HD sceen-cap to read it after the fact.
Take a day off from being a pedant once and awhile, Christopher.
Six years. But The Good That Men Do totally rewrites the Enterprise finale, and amongst other things, moves it to just a few months after "Terra Prime"
thanks for the clarification, haven't read the Enterprise series
I can see a post-ENT, post-Romulan War, no-Enterprise NX-01 book series calling itself something like "Legacy of Enterprise". No problem.
Six years after. And the novels already have continued beyond that point, thanks to the retcon KingDaniel mentioned. But the question being asked here is whether the novels could continue after the end of the Earth-Romulan War, which will occur in the next novel in the series. The war ended in 2160, and the UFP is founded in 2161. And in order for Kirk's ship to be the first Federation starship Enterprise, NX-01 presumably has to be retired before the UFP is founded.
Beside the point. The Yamato's registry number was actually spoken aloud in dialogue in "Where Silence Has Lease," but they still changed it in "Contagion." Even explicit canon is subject to change if it's minor enough or if the story calls for it. And registry numbers are really too trivial and arbitrary to make a fuss over. I don't know why you're saying I'm the one being pedantic; I'm the one saying it's not worth worrying about such a trivial detail.
it's not the beginning of the end, or the end of the beginning, rather the beginning of a new chapter.
All this has happened before and all of it will happen again.
