It's made clear in the Voyager episode.
The Battle of Wolf 359!?
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It's made clear in the Voyager episode.
How?
it wasn't it was a ship with a constitution-style secondary hull. like the other ships included galaxy-style nacelles or or saucers...
There was so much kitbashing going on, parts from the Constitution-class ship model were used to create all new classes. There was one I know of which had the Connie's secondary hull, but with the saucer and three nacelles from a Galaxy class. Another one had the Connie 'neck' but with the saucer and *one* nacelle from the Galaxy. Etc.
If I remember correctly, the real world reason for the presence of a Constitution class ship at Wolf 359 is that one of the models used was the model of the destroyed Enterprise from Star Trek III, and that is the piece visible on screen. I personally just choose to think it was an older surplus-yard ship reactivated to counter the Borg incursion.
Yep, they pulled an old Connie out of mothballs to fight the invincible cyborg invaders. They also found some old TOS-style redshirts to give to the crew.
That's a good point.
because then everyone would think that Kirk was about to show up because we're all so thick.
They don't show Constitutions in TNG+ Trek because they don't want to take away from the destruction of the Enterprise in Trek III. Since the Galaxy is a TNG era ship they can trash and destroy as many of those as they want, like how they destroyed other Constitutions in TOS.
Yeah, that's really partly Gene's fault. Originally the crew was supposed to be given a new ship entirely in TMP, with an 1800 registry, but that was changed because he felt people wouldn't associate it with the original Enterprise. And ever since then there's been a weird sort of ban on using movie-era Connies in any fashion.
I've always just chosen to think we didn't see Connies (excluding the one at Wolf 359) in TNG because (1) the class is older than the Miranda and reached its service lifetime and (2) other classes such as the Excelsior could perform their duties just as well or better, while the Miranda could be relegated to support roles.
Weak rationalization, I know. But possible.
Weak rationalization, I know. But possible.
Maybe you're right... maybe they just send them on super-duper deep space duty. I dunno.
Mostly my thinking came out of the quick retirement of the Enterprise-A... but that could have been for other reasons too. Either way, I personally like to think the 'A' was a prototype built of spare parts solely to test the grafting of Excelsior tech onto Constitution class frames, never meant for long term duty, but given to Kirk's crew as an honor for one last outing. Then, you could choose to believe that was either successful or a failure, depending where you wanted Connies to be in the 24th.
I've thought that some Connies were probably in service until the 2340s, that Mirandas (being a newer class) were kept in service long enough that by the time the Dominion war rolled around they weren't retired, and that they and the Excelsiors were retired shortly after the war. We saw so few Constellations I could go either way with them.
I dunno, it's just one of those things that is difficult to reconcile because of real-world weirdness.
Mostly my thinking came out of the quick retirement of the Enterprise-A... but that could have been for other reasons too. Either way, I personally like to think the 'A' was a prototype built of spare parts solely to test the grafting of Excelsior tech onto Constitution class frames, never meant for long term duty, but given to Kirk's crew as an honor for one last outing. Then, you could choose to believe that was either successful or a failure, depending where you wanted Connies to be in the 24th.
I've thought that some Connies were probably in service until the 2340s, that Mirandas (being a newer class) were kept in service long enough that by the time the Dominion war rolled around they weren't retired, and that they and the Excelsiors were retired shortly after the war. We saw so few Constellations I could go either way with them.
I dunno, it's just one of those things that is difficult to reconcile because of real-world weirdness.
There are numerous fan and for that matter professional designs over the years that utilize Constitution class seocndary hulls.
For example, FASA Indomiable class battleship design was an interim design to make up for delays in the Excelsior class.
It utilized a modified Constitution class engineering hull and engines along with an Excelsior class saucer.
For example, FASA Indomiable class battleship design was an interim design to make up for delays in the Excelsior class.
It utilized a modified Constitution class engineering hull and engines along with an Excelsior class saucer.
Cronos, in that picture you posted, what is the four-nacelled ship at the right edge of the screen? It's the one where the two top nacelles are closer together than the bottom two. (Not the other four-nacelled ship which is directly above it.)
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