The Battle of Wolf 359!?

[flux_29]

i think a klingon borg in voyager was assimilated at wolf 359.

 

[Stag]

Hang on - now admittedly it has been awhile since I have viewed BoBW, but I seem to recall two things - 1) That the Riker was supposed to take command of the Endeavor but turned down the job early on and 2) that later in the ep when the Enterprise shows up at Wolf359, someone mentions the name of the Endeavor as one of the wrecked ships and there is a close up shot of Riker's face.

 

[ShamelessMcBundy]

JDW said:
Is Wolf 359 located in Federation space ou outside the Federation?

JDW

According to this article, Wolf 359 is about 8 light years away, so it's iin the Federation.

 

[Anwar]

Stag said:
Hang on - now admittedly it has been awhile since I have viewed BoBW, but I seem to recall two things - 1) That the Riker was supposed to take command of the Endeavor but turned down the job early on and 2) that later in the ep when the Enterprise shows up at Wolf359, someone mentions the name of the Endeavor as one of the wrecked ships and there is a close up shot of Riker's face.

That happened, but the ship was called "The Melbourne", not the Endeavor.

 

[Huntingdon]

Babaganoosh said:
if Amasov knew so much, he must have faced them at some point as well. And the only major engagement at that point in the timeline was Wolf 359.

Not necessarily - we know that the Excalibur not only faced the Borg but also survived, as some of the assimilated crew showed up in another Voyager episode. Clearly ships other than Enterprise encountered the Borg outside of major battles.

 

[Stag]

Anwar said:

Stag said:
Hang on - now admittedly it has been awhile since I have viewed BoBW, but I seem to recall two things - 1) That the Riker was supposed to take command of the Endeavor but turned down the job early on and 2) that later in the ep when the Enterprise shows up at Wolf359, someone mentions the name of the Endeavor as one of the wrecked ships and there is a close up shot of Riker's face.

That happened, but the ship was called "The Melbourne", not the Endeavor.

That's right, thanks for the correction!! Damn senility - turn 40 and the brain just withers.

 

[Praetor]

The idea of Riker taking command of an Excelsior class starship (as shown on DS9, rather than the weird, four nacelle Nebula 'original' Melbourne) is, well, weird. It makes sense that he wouldn't just 'settle.' Personally, I've always imagined the Melbourne as a refit designed to test grafting tech from the Galaxy class onto the Excelsior class, just to make the registry number (in the 60000s) and the temptation make a little more sense.

There are lots of unexplained questions about Wolf 359 raised by Voyager and the later presence of living ex-Starfleet officers turned Borg who claim to have been assimilated at Wolf 359.

 

[HRHTheKING]

The "Jenny" was the only ship to survive Wolf 359.

Commanded by Captain F. Gump.

 

[Anwar]

The theory behind the whole "survivors from Wolf went back to the Delta Quadrant" thing was that there had to have been two Borg ships in "Best of Both Worlds".

One was the Borg ship from "The Neutral Zone", the one that destroyed and extracted the NZ outposts, and the second one was the Cube from "Q Who?" and "BOBW".

The Second Borg ship would be the one that took the remains of the New Providence colony and its 900 inhabitants back to the DQ, along with the crew of the Lalo. It may hav ebeen hiding on the other side of the Paulson Nebula.

Then the ship at Wolf may have transported the Wolf Survivors to this other Borg ship (If the Dominion have long-range teleporters, why not the Borg?) and it went back to the DQ.

 

[Adagio]

HRHTheKING said:
The "Jenny" was the only ship to survive Wolf 359.

Commanded by Captain F. Gump.

You win the thread, sir.

 

[Stag]

HRHTheKING said:
The "Jenny" was the only ship to survive Wolf 359.

Commanded by Captain F. Gump.

I heard the Captain exclaimed as he fled from the fight...

"Life is like a box of borg drones...never know who they're gonna get"

 

[jimbo1973]

Babaganoosh said:

jimbo1973 said:
It seems I read somwhere that one of the ships there was called the USS Chechov. Don't know if it's cannon, prob not, but still prety cool!

The name USS Chekov was written on one of the kitbashed hulls used in that episode. So it's canon.

Thanks for the Info!!!! It's really cool that Chechov had ship named for him.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Huntingdon said:we know that the Excalibur not only faced the Borg but also survived, as some of the assimilated crew showed up in another Voyager episode.

Just because some of the crew showed up later, doesn't mean the Excalibur survived. (New Frontier doesn't count, of course.)

 

[Unicron]

The ship wasn't named for Pavel Chekov. It was named for Anton Chekhov (with an H), who was one of Russia's great writers. This has been confirmed by Mike Okuda, who helped build the models for BOBW. He also confirmed which ships actually had models and which didn't, but merely had names. Originally the Chekhov was to be mentioned by Shelby when she reads the ship names, but the Tolstoy was dubbed in instead. Okuda felt it would be too easily confused with Chekov's name, and that it also sounded too cute.

 

[HRHTheKING]

-Shelby and Riker are looking at the debris field on the viewscreen-

Shelby: Oh my god, Chekov!!!

Riker: The Starship Chekhov has been destroyed?

Shelby: No, Pavel Chekov is floating across the viewscreen!

Chekov: Arghhhhhhhhhh!!!!! Help!

 

[captcalhoun]

Babaganoosh said:

Huntingdon said:we know that the Excalibur not only faced the Borg but also survived, as some of the assimilated crew showed up in another Voyager episode.

Just because some of the crew showed up later, doesn't mean the Excalibur survived. (New Frontier doesn't count, of course.)

the Excalibur was never mentioned as being at Wolf 359. it appeared later in Picard's blockade in Redemption II

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Unicron said:
The ship wasn't named for Pavel Chekov. It was named for Anton Chekhov (with an H), who was one of Russia's great writers. This has been confirmed by Mike Okuda, who helped build the models for BOBW. He also confirmed which ships actually had models and which didn't, but merely had names. Originally the Chekhov was to be mentioned by Shelby when she reads the ship names, but the Tolstoy was dubbed in instead. Okuda felt it would be too easily confused with Chekov's name, and that it also sounded too cute.

Poor Pavel, he don't get no respect.

 

[Unicron]

 

[Dorothy_Zbornak]

JDW said:
If Starfleet mobilized a fleet of 40 starships at Wolf 359 and 39 were destroyed, what happened to the 40th, as I remember there wasn't any mention of a starship surviving the battle?

JDW

There had to be one surviving ship at the very least--Sisko and the other Saratoga survivors escaped via lifeboats, but later when the Enterprise-D arrives, Data says "No survivors." The lifeboats would have had to have been evacuated by someone. Could have been a surviving Starfleet vessel, or possibly the afore-mentioned Klingons.

 

[TGTheodore]

There had to be one surviving ship at the very least--Sisko and the other Saratoga survivors escaped via lifeboats, but later when the Enterprise-D arrives, Data says "No survivors." The lifeboats would have had to have been evacuated by someone. Could have been a surviving Starfleet vessel, or possibly the afore-mentioned Klingons.

I never really went into that possibility in "Omission". (It was my DS9 "sale" which was never produced.) I did, however, recount the last ten minutes of the life of the Saratoga.

And it wouldn't have necessarily been a starship at the battle to round up the lifeboats. They do, after all, shoot the survivors pretty far away from the source of danger.

--Ted