Spoilers The Batman (2022) - Review and Discussion Thread
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I'd love to see him take on his usual rogues that are for some reason ignored for the movies and shows. Just leave Joker, Riddler, 2 Face, Bane and Penguin alone PLEASE.
Heck, even put Kite Man on screen and I'll be shouting "Hell yeah!" with him!
Yep, especially the way they teased him. Sort of tied their hands for what they'll do in potential sequels. Also added another few minutes to an already overly long movie.
We just saw the movie and we loved It except for the long running time. Especially the end dragged a little bit, more people complained about It in the cinema.
But the story and acting were good and the music and atmosphere was perfect
But the story and acting were good and the music and atmosphere was perfect
Certainly, that's the case with Patt-Man's version. Darkness needs to have clear motives / causes for the world one establishes, not there just to say, "well its dark." ..and its Batman!
Oh, there were a universe's worth of problems with Burton's view of the character.
Honestly, I thought I saw DC's version of SE7EN without the soul; there was something exciting about Sommerset and Mills' hunt to find John Doe, I also got to know who those detectives were as I went along for the journey. This movie lacks anything human with the characters present; all of them were architypes but lacked the dimensions I would follow in a narrative like that. Contrast to another series of detective fiction like Poirot's "Death of the Nile" and the previous film "Murder on the Orient Express" the world was dark and I understood who the characters were and their motivations. With the settings all well plotted I understood where the mystery was going and the resolution it devised, it presented how much it honored its characters and didn't make them appear like caricatures.
Every incarnation of the character has to earn a reason why I should follow his journey, not because of the lore and legacy of the title the character inherited.
There’s a small hint of hope in the closing VO where Patman says (and I forget the exact wording) that his approach so far, reclusive, ‘I am vengeance’ etc is not the way and he needs to find a better one.
That VO and the bits where he’s very clearly empathising with the sons of Riddler’s victims and almost palpably wants to reach out to them to reassure them makes me think that if there are sequels, we’ll see Patman leaning more into what he can do as Bruce Wayne in the community and, possibly, Robin. That’s the vibe I got.
I could be completely wrong, but if The Long Halloween was the inspiration here, maybe they’ll look to Dark Victory as part of the inspiration for the follow up.
Of course that VO was the 30 second coda to a 3 hour film and I finally got the detective film I’ve been hoping for for years, maybe I’m being too hopeful that a lighter tone is also coming. But it seemed at least hinted at
I think with the way Batman tends to operate, this kind of a build makes more sense, rather than the big body builder type they go for sometimes. Batman is the kind of character who's going to want to move fast, and get in and get out of places quick, and you can't do that if you're a massive body builder type.
I think I read somewhere that Reeves or one of the other people involved in the movie, already expressed some interest in the Court of Owls. I'm assuming we're going to see Hush at some point, having a character from the same era as Bruce's parents with the last name Elliot, just feels like to clear of a set up for them not to do something with it at some point.
Did you not pick up on the fact that Batman was in his second year? He made mistakes and his mission in Gotham was not focused properly.
In the beginning he kept using his "vengeance" to strike fear into citizens.
That vengeance attracted people to enact their own vengeance. That riddler follower Batman beat up repeated Batman's line about vengeance.
This caused Batman to rethink what he was doing
We must rebuild people’s faith.
Vengeance won’t change the past.
I have to become more.
So long story short. He's going to try to give hope to Gotham at the end of the movie.
If this movie is about him becoming hope then what's the next movie's theme?
Yes. He becomes Superman in the sequel.
That’s what I got. There’s a couple of pretty on the nose “You’ve done nothing, Bruce Wayne” beats in the top of the second act and the stuff with the orphanage seemed like something he couldn’t help but identify with.
I can see it starting out with a clearly uncomfortable and still aloof Bruce Wayne doing more charitable stuff and starting or reviving a Wayne Foundation for such purposes. Trying to be what he thought his dad was, without the corruption.
Maybe they could call it Bruce Wayne Begins?
I don’t know if they’ll have the Joker, though I took Reeves’ comments that they wouldn’t with a pinch of salt at the same time. Hedging my bets, perhaps. I can see them having him for another cameo or couple of scenes of cameo before breaking out in part three (if there is one)
I really don't want another joker. That character has been done to death and there are so many villains in the rogues gallery I would rather see in this new universe eg: Scarecrow, Hush, Court of Owls, Calendar Man.
I also commend Patterson for going with a natural build rather than the steroid look that we see a lot of the time. It isn't healthy and is unrealistic.
I also commend Patterson for going with a natural build rather than the steroid look that we see a lot of the time. It isn't healthy and is unrealistic.
Then he's not Batman.
Hollywood is in favor of The Dark Knight Returns aesthetics which has influence every Batman incarnation since Tim Burton. The Riddler even going through these set of actions doesn't appear to be the character I know to be.
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I saw it yesterday.
After reading and watching reviews from sources I trust, I still had my doubts. And at my age a 3 hour movie better be great to keep me in my seat.
It kept me engaged the whole time (and I waited as long as I could before running out for a short break). My only real complaint is that I waited to see the post credit scene, which was a bit of a letdown.
After reading and watching reviews from sources I trust, I still had my doubts. And at my age a 3 hour movie better be great to keep me in my seat.
It kept me engaged the whole time (and I waited as long as I could before running out for a short break). My only real complaint is that I waited to see the post credit scene, which was a bit of a letdown.
Beautiful.