Spoilers The Bad Batch - Season 1 Discussion [cue A-Team theme music]

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  1. Saul

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    Somethings going on. Whether it ties into the clone stuff going on in the Mandalorian remains to be seen. But interesting that we have similar plot lines with Omega and Grogu.

    Anyway, great episode. Cad Bane fails to disappoint.

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  3. fireproof78

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    I only cared because Andy Serkis was completely wasted. Alas.
     
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  5. Tyr

    Tyr Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    She may be a Jango clone, but she can't be an unaltered one. That's what I wrote. Not that she can't be a clone at all...
     
  6. Reverend

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    Unaltered in the sense that she has no modifications to the genetic code. No accelerated growth or adjusted behaviour, and thus a solid baseline for a new generation of clones without the problem of diminishing returns.
    Yes her sex is different that Jango's and Boba's, but you might be surprised about how little that actually matters from a genetic POV.

    Remember that the X & Y chromosomes only make up one pair of 23 in the human genome, and that's not even including Mitochondrial DNA, which generally only passes down the female line (the force only knows how midichlorial DNA factors into it.) And even in nature these aren't hard and fast rules since people can have two X's and one Y, other extra chromosomes and many other variations...and then there's also epigenetics. Organic life is very adaptable, right down the the basic chemistry...if it wasn't then it wouldn't have existed for very long.
    So for a people very adept at manipulating genes, a subject's biological sex is about as relevant to their work as their hair colour or blood type. Any and all can be manipulated.
     
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  7. fireproof78

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    Paging Dr. Wu.
     
  8. Hartzilla2007

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    Really they would just have to adjust the armor sizing before going back to mass producing it.
     
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  9. Reverend

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    Oh no, a minor equipment adjustment! The plain is foiled! ;)

    Seriously though; as I think I illustrated above, getting a new line of male clones would be trivially easy if that's what they wanted.
     
  10. Hartzilla2007

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    Probably depends if its cheaper to just make female clones or not since the other issue they have is recruits are cheaper than clones.
     
  11. Finn

    Finn Bad Batch of TrekBBS Admiral

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    Maybe they meant they didn't remove or add any genes. They may have simply deactivated certain genes or something like that.
     
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    That is a good question.
    Even if it's a minor change, she would still not be an exact duplicate of Jango, the way that Boba was.
     
  13. Timelord Victorious

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    Even Boba wouldn’t be an exact duplicate.
    Clones are basically like „identical“ twins.
    Yes, they have the same cell origin, but during maturation in the womb, or petri dish in this case,
    They will develop differences in gene expression.
    The most famous differences are finger prints, identical twins don’t share those.
    And that‘s just one example.
    The longer they develop, the more differences will appear.
    I mean, look at the Bad Batch.
    This is exactly the reason why they all look related, like the brothers they are, but are otherwise different in body build, character, talents, skills and overall appearance.
     
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    Maybe the want her for a different purpose.

    Why not find a new donor? What made Jango unique?
     
  15. Reverend

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    Boba was not an EXACT duplicate of Jango; he was an UNALTERED clone. Not the same thing.
    There ain't no such thing as an exact duplicate of any lifeform, not in mammalian twins or asexually reproducing invertebrates or algae colonies. There's always variations and mutations as cells divide and replicate; genes will express themselves in different ways based on stimuli and that's not even getting to the whole field of epigenetics that can cause various genes to toggle on and off during the course of an organism's lifespan, causing different inheritable traits to emerge without altering the gene sequence itself. We are as much shaped by nurture as we are by nature as the one reacts to the other.

    Whether Omega's biological sex was the result of random chance or deliberate tampering remains to be seen. Though if the point of creating her was precisely to have another unaltered clone in reserve then the former seems most likely.

    At this point they have over a decade and change's experience with the Fett genotype, along with all the customised infrastructure. A new template/donor means starting over basically from scratch, and time is clearly a factor here.
     
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    I wonder if Boba is gonna find out about lil sis. If not now, maybe in Book of Boba.
     
  17. fireproof78

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    Could make Boba more interesting. Maybe.
     
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    Long shot at best and it still wouldn't be because of him.
     
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  19. Reverend

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    I mean he already has like 5 million other siblings, why would one more matter to him?
     
  20. Tyr

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    They had to remove one y chromosome and replace it with an x chromosome. You can't just deactivate an y chromosome and get a female living being. And just adding an x chromosome (xxy) would result in the klinefelter syndrome.

    These are all alterations to the genetic code. So therefore she can't be an unaltered clone by definition.