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Spoilers The Autobiography of James T. Kirk - announcement and reviews

That James T. Kirk's father was George Samuel Kirk the Elder, and his mother was named Winona was established in FF and BD long before the first Abramsverse movie made it canonical (much the same as Sulu's first name was established in The Entropy Effect long before it was made canonical in ST5:TFF), and while only the names (and indeed, only "George" and "Winona"; not the middle name of "Samuel," nor the nickname of "Geordie," though they weren't actually contradicted) were actually made canonical, certain other central points originating in those two books had at least stood without any actual contradiction:
1. James T. Kirk grew up on a farm in Iowa (prior to FF, we'd known about Iowa, but not about the farm).
2. "Geordie" Kirk was career Starfleet, like his son, and was, for at least a portion of Kirk's childhood, an absentee father, with the two communicating via handwritten letters.
3. Winona Kirk ran the family farm during the period in #2.
4. Towards the end of the period in which he grew up with an absentee father, and as a result of what he witnessed on Tarsus IV, James T. Kirk teetered, at age 16, on the edge of juvenile delinquency, and wanted absolutely nothing to do with space travel.

Most of what, in FF and BD, has since been contradicted was in the realm of details: important to the plots of the novels, but not central to their themes, and not major continuity issues. These four issues are central to the novels' themes, and are major continuity issues. (And indeed, I would say that the fact that "Geordie" Kirk was not merely absentee, but deceased in the Abramsverse is the obvious explanation for the Abramsverse James T. Kirk having not merely teetered on the edge of juvenile delinquency, but fallen into it.)

I don't have a particularly high standard of continuity; that's how I can regard TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, Voy, Ent, all prime-universe movies, and every prime universe novel all the way back to Spock Must Die and Mission to Horatius as being "the same continuity," but completely inverting major elements of the established (if non-canonical) backstory of Kirk's childhood breaks even my standard of continuity.

Understand, I don't regard this as revisionism in the same category as the unspeakable things that were done to Baum's Oz (starting with Langley, Ryerson, and Woolf, continuing with Philip Jose Farmer, through to Gregory Maguire). Neither do I, based on what little I've read so far (I was going to wait a bit longer, but last night, I didn't want to break out a magazine, nor go out to my car to retrieve the literary magazine I'd started reading this week) classify the present opus in the category of "unspeakably vile waste of paper" that I reserve for Gillebaard's Moon Hoax (nor even in the same category as The Starless World, World Without End, Perry's Planet or the ever-popular Devil World, which I regard as the four worst Bantam ST novels).

It just seems like a pointless breach of four major never-before-contradicted continuity elements that have had significant influences on canon.


Well, it wasn't "pointless", I was telling a version of the story that in my mind doesn't violate film canon and fills out the character in depth, and gives him an emotional arc. As an author I'm making decisions as to how to use the events we're familiar with to create a story of this man's life. Obviously, it won't be accepted by all readers. You're not alone in your disdain.:)
 
I would not, at least in my case, classify it as "disdain," but rather "disappointment." Disappointment that the present opus, while good, could have been better if the continuity bumps in the early chapters had been fewer and less jarring.

I will also say, without revealing any details about the novel I've had as a work-in-progress for far too long already, that I can definitely sympathize with your point of view here. There is a major subplot in the early chapters of my novel, that was designed to establish certain elements of my protagonist's character (and which even dictated the precise timeframe of the story). The first time those chapters were workshopped, I discovered that my classmates found the whole subplot pointless (and advised me to cut it), because very few of them even possessed the crucial cultural referent, and even in those who were old enough to have the referent, I'd failed to engage it.

Of course, both this version of Kirk's childhood and Diane Carey's earlier version certainly provide an adequate backstory for why Kirk ended up the man he is (in both the Prime and Abramsverse versions), and for why the Abramsverse Kirk took such an enormous detour into juvenile delinquency. I just wish they hadn't been so utterly irreconcilable with each other.

And as to Kirk saving Riley's life on Tarsus IV, why would he have any reason to connect that incident with a greenhorn ensign under his command? It's been a few years since I read Final Frontier (OOPS!or The Lost Years, either), so I don't recall whether or not J. M. Dillard established that he did make the connection prior to the incidents of The Conscience of the King.
 
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And as to Kirk saving Riley's life on Tarsus IV, why would he have any reason to connect that incident with a greenhorn ensign under his command? It's been a few years since I read Final Frontier, so I don't recall whether or not Diane Carey established that he did make the connection prior to the incidents of The Conscience of the King.

Uh, the bit about Kirk saving Riley's life was in J.M. Dillard's The Lost Years. It couldn't have been in Final Frontier, because that book focused on George Kirk and Robert April on the maiden voyage of the Enterprise, a few years before the Tarsus IV incident.

There's also an alternate version of the Tarsus IV incident in the Shatnerverse novel Avenger.
 
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And as to Kirk saving Riley's life on Tarsus IV, why would he have any reason to connect that incident with a greenhorn ensign under his command? It's been a few years since I read Final Frontier, so I don't recall whether or not Diane Carey established that he did make the connection prior to the incidents of The Conscience of the King.

I think if Kirk was 13, and he saved a kids life, he'd remember him and his name. But we'll agree to disagree.:)
 
And as to Kirk saving Riley's life on Tarsus IV, why would he have any reason to connect that incident with a greenhorn ensign under his command? It's been a few years since I read Final Frontier, so I don't recall whether or not Diane Carey established that he did make the connection prior to the incidents of The Conscience of the King.

Uh, the bit about Kirk saving Riley's life was in J.M. Dillard's The Lost Years. It couldn't have been in Final Frontier, because that book focused on George Kirk and Robert April on the maiden voyage of the Enterprise, a few years before the Tarsus IV incident.

There's also an alternate version of the Tarsus IV incident in the Shatnerverse novel Avenger.

Was that Final Frontier? Or Best Destiny? (I haven't read the former, so I might be confusing things.)
 
OOPS. Somebody mentioned that Kirk saved Riley in The Lost Years earlier in this very thread. It's been a few years since I last read The Lost Years, too.
(This warrants a correction, which I've already made, but no, it doesn't warrant a "<emily litella>nevermind</emily litella>")

Too bad this board doesn't have strikethrough or size changes. Both would come in handy for situations like this.

And there are probably lots of Kevin Thomas Rileys running around, and probably lots more Kevin Rileys (and still more with other spellings of the surname -- did anybody notice that Barbara Hambly added a few extra letters to the name in Ishmael? I only just noticed that this morning!); how was Kirk to know that the one he'd been working with for no more than a year would be the same one whose life he saved?
 
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how was Kirk to know that the one he'd been working with for no more than a year would be the same one whose life he saved?

Umm, by reading his personnel file? Really, not knowing that a member of his crew had grown up on the same planet and survived the same tragedy was implausible enough even if they hadn't personally met.
 
how was Kirk to know that the one he'd been working with for no more than a year would be the same one whose life he saved?

Umm, by reading his personnel file? Really, not knowing that a member of his crew had grown up on the same planet and survived the same tragedy was implausible enough even if they hadn't personally met.

And if he saved a kids life named Kevin Reilly, and then he's got a lieutenant with the same name and with the same hair coloring and skin coloring on his bridge, wouldn't he say "Where did you grow up?" I've recognized people I went to elementary school with on the street forty years later.
 
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I've recognized people I went to elementary school with on the street forty years later.

Back in 1998, a woman I'd recently met in New Jersey mentioned an ex-boyfriend of hers. He had a very unusual first name that was the same as an old classmate of mine in Washington D.C., so I said, "I went to grade school with a kid named [first name]." The woman of course asked, "What was his last name?"

"Davis," I replied.

It was the same guy. It's really weird to think of a kid you knew in first grade having a girlfriend.
 
I would have thought young Jimmy Kirk would have remembered every detail of that awful time. Now if he would have correlated that kid to his navigator is a good question. Spock dealt with personnel so did Kirk completely read Riley's service file?
 
Re: Kirk saving Riley on Tarsus IV

It was not The Lost Years. I just re-read it, cover-to-cover. Riley figures prominently, but there aren't any flashbacks, at least not to Tarsus IV. Nor was it Final Frontier, nor Best Destiny (although there were certainly allusions to the Tarsus IV Massacre being the cause of Kirk's juvenile delinquency), nor Collision Course (positively LOADED with Tarsus IV flashbacks, but of course it's Shatnerverse continuity). And Memory Beta is no help at all.
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FOUND IT. It was Brad Ferguson's A Flag Full of Stars, pages 114-117 (the complete flashback starts on 111).

And it turns out I was wrong: in this continuity, Kirk DID remember saving Riley's life. Riley, on the other hand, didn't remember that it was Kirk who saved him, and Kirk went out of his way to avoid reminding him. But in Ferguson's flashback, Kirk is on Tarsus IV with his mother. And Sam. But they were on an extended layover on Tarsus IV at the time of the massacre, on their way to rendezvous with Geordie Kirk.
 
Re: Kirk saving Riley on Tarsus IV

It was not The Lost Years. I just re-read it, cover-to-cover. Riley figures prominently, but there aren't any flashbacks, at least not to Tarsus IV. Nor was it Final Frontier, nor Best Destiny (although there were certainly allusions to the Tarsus IV Massacre being the cause of Kirk's juvenile delinquency), nor Collision Course (positively LOADED with Tarsus IV flashbacks, but of course it's Shatnerverse continuity). And Memory Beta is no help at all.
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FOUND IT. It was Brad Ferguson's A Flag Full of Stars, pages 114-117 (the complete flashback starts on 111).

And it turns out I was wrong: in this continuity, Kirk DID remember saving Riley's life. Riley, on the other hand, didn't remember that it was Kirk who saved him, and Kirk went out of his way to avoid reminding him. But in Ferguson's flashback, Kirk is on Tarsus IV with his mother. And Sam. But they were on an extended layover on Tarsus IV at the time of the massacre, on their way to rendezvous with Geordie Kirk.

Wow! Thanks for going to all this effort to clear it up. Now somebody can update Memory Beta properly.
 
Finished this book last night. I enjoyed it, having been able to get a feel for the book by reading the sample from Apple iBooks.

This marked the first time I've bought a Trek novel in three and a half years, and the first one I've read to completion since 2007. Despite the fact that Captain Kirk has been on TV and movie screens for nearly fifty years, The Autobiography of James T. Kirk marks the first time that Kirk actually feels like a flesh-and-blood person to me. We see his triumphs and his failures, and we learn how he truly felt about both. This seems particularly true regarding those who died under Kirk's command. We also learn that Kirk wondered often about "the road not taken", although he doesn't really regret the life he chose for himself. It's a testament to the quality of this book that it managed to hold the attention of someone who has a general aversion to Treklit.

It also brings the number of Trek novels I've read cover-to-cover to five; this number includes Jeri Taylor's VOY novel Pathways, and Greg Cox's Khan series. I've tried to read, but couldn't finish The Return, Collision Course, The Cry of The Onlies, and some VOY novel whose name I can't begin to remember.
 
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Finished this book last night. I enjoyed it, having been able to get a feel for the book by reading the sample from Apple iBooks.

This marked the first time I've bought a Trek novel in three and a half years, and the first one I've read to completion since 2007. Despite the fact that Captain Kirk has been on TV and movie screens for nearly fifty years, The Autobiography of James T. Kirk marks the first time that Kirk actually feels like a flesh-and-blood person to me. We see his triumphs and his failures, and we learn how he truly felt about both. This seems particularly true regarding those who died under Kirk's command. We also learn that Kirk wondered often about "the road not taken", although he doesn't really regret the life he chose for himself. It's a testament to the quality of this book that it managed to hold the attention of someone who has a general aversion to Treklit.

It also brings the number of Trek novels I've read cover-to-cover to five; this number includes Jeri Taylor's VOY novel Pathways, and Greg Cox's Khan series. I've tried to read, but couldn't finish The Return, Collision Course, The Cry of The Onlies, and some VOY novel whose name I can't begin to remember.

As an author nothing is more satisfying than a satisfied customer! Thanks so much for your kind review!
 

I paid $10.69 for the Kindle version back in September.:eek:

Might be worth emailing Amazon to see if they can give you a credit, though with that having been back in September they may not. I've received credits before when the price has dropped within a couple weeks before, but months may be out of the question.
 
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