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The Ashes - 2010/11

Here is the Herald's next Aussie Test XI :
S Marsh, S Katich, U Khawaja, R Ponting (c), M Hussey, S Watson, B Haddin, S O'Keefe, P Siddle, J Pattinson, M Starc.

Assuming no retirements, that looks a pretty good start for the rebuild I reckon.

Saw that article this morning. I agree about Marsh being in the test squad, should have been there instead of Hughes. But, I reckon there will be at least three retirements in the top 6 in the next 2 or 3 years, with Kaitch, Ponting and Hussey retiring. So what happens then? Can Clarke find some form again? Who captains after Ponting retires?

Also I hope that Starc gets to play some more ODI between now and the next test series in Sri Lanka. He should with it being World Cup happening in a few months. As should Pattinson and O'Keefe.

Congrats to England. Australia can bounce back. Have before.
 
Good show England. The WACA aside, this was a superlative performance. Great catches, brave knocks from the leading batsmen, and the pace attack did the job at the right times. Well done.

But beware complacency - they should remember what happened to them in the slump years of late 2005-2007. There is the World Cup, Sri Lanka and India still to come this year. It would be a shame if they didn't capitalise on this result.

Hopefully Australia can pick themselves up in much the same way England did in 2007: it will be fascinating to see the rebuilding process.
 
You can only play the 11 who turn up on the day
True enough, so far as it goes; when the 11 who "turn up" (to flatter them considerably) on the day turn on a performance a pub team would be ashamed of, how much value can the series win really have? I don't want this to sound like I'm trying to diminish England's achievement, which genuinely isn't my intent, but we were complete crap for most of this series. On these displays we'd have lost to pretty much anyone.

Clarke - and Ponting, for that matter - should retire from one-day stuff as well. Get back to Shield cricket and learn how to bat again. As for the Herald's suggested side, I'm iffy about Sean Marsh but there aren't many other candidates about. Hughes has technical issues - like pretty much every other young Australian cricketer - but where's the value in throwing people out after five minutes? O'Keefe can hardly get a game for NSW. Starc has injury concerns. Still, so long as we get new selectors, (edit) a new coach (who, along with three of the selectors, is from South Australia, which has been the basket case of Australian cricket for decades) and Johnson never, ever plays for Australia again I can deal with it.

I was disgusted that Shane Watson made no mention of how much this team has crapped on Australian cricket fans when he spoke of how much they'd "let themselves down" during this match, and equally disgusted that Brad Haddin said they now need to "take a quick look" at themselves. :wtf: Neither of them is leadership material after spouting such absurd drivel in the wake of this crap.

Anyway, enough of that. Kudos to England. 3-1 flatters us to an absurd degree; as crap as we were, 4-0 or even 5-0 would have been a better reflection of the gulf between the sides. It remains to be seen whether or not they're good enough to deal with an Indian batting lineup which may be ageing but is still among the best ever to take to a cricket field; that's a series I'd really like to watch. Again, I don't want to sound churlish but I would add that England should enjoy success while it lasts, because - as we've comprehensively demonstrated in recent times - it never lasts for long.

Final thought: I'm truly pleased for Andy Flower, the England coach. The stance he (and Henry Olonga) took during the 2003 World Cup (and the price they paid for it) demonstrated he's an individual of principle, backbone and genuine worth. It's great that that worth has been rewarded.
 
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Been having loads of fun during the night on twitter. The fake cricketer accounts are quite amusing. Plus hearing stuff from both teams. Interesting that Clarke has stepped down as twenty20 captain.
 
Has he?? I thought he was good as a 20/20 captain? I think its time they brought new blood into the Australian side...at least the Poms are willing to bring in new blood...why cant the australian selectors do the same?? Or have they been taken over by aliens!!
 
Perhaps if the aliens involved were a particularly imbecilic clan of Pakleds (from that early TNG episode whose name escapes me and I cannot be bothered looking up), maybe I could buy this scenario.

Johnson, Tait and Lee is our one day attack? Interesting. I hope we're ready for some 400+ scores against us.

Missing the test cricket already. 20/20's leave me cold (OMG!! that six went 70 metres!!!!111111), and the 50 over game is an anachronism, a predictable snorefest that should be phased out after this World Cup.

Veering away from Ashes cricket a bit now, but I really am struggling to figure out the point of changing the domestic state-based 20/20 comp into a series between a bunch of city based teams.

I mean, who would want to watch say, Mike Hussey line up for the West Sydney Wombats against a team of journeyman West Indians and Pakistanis representing, say Geelong? Very, very odd.

I know they're not interested in whether people like me watch or not, and are chasing the 10-17 year olds and billionaires who enjoy writing big cheques so they can say they own a sports team, but jeez...I just can't see it working.

The current 'Big Bash' has drawn incredible crowds and desperately needed revenue for domestic cricket, and now they want to change it to try and create another IPL? If Cricket Australia were a public company, I reckon the shareholders would have turfed the board out a while ago.
 
The cricket at the moment seems unimportant right at the moment (been watching lots of the Qld Flood news). Massive thumbs up to the players for fundraising for victims in Qld. Really haven't watched any of the matches. Seen updates via twitter, and on the news. I might watch a little of ODI.

No to another IPL also. It would be best with the Big Bash, if some 4 day games still happen while it's on. But that won't happen.
 
Hope they manage to get the ODI in Brisbane to still go ahead. That would be a pretty special moment.

Australia looking good in the first ODI. :)

Here is the Herald's next Aussie Test XI :
S Marsh, S Katich, U Khawaja, R Ponting (c), M Hussey, S Watson, B Haddin, S O'Keefe, P Siddle, J Pattinson, M Starc.

Assuming no retirements, that looks a pretty good start for the rebuild I reckon.

Not so sure about that lineup. Starc can barely hold himself together, O'Keefe can't even make the NSW side regularly and Pattinson only has four first-class games for goodness sake. Meanwhile, Marsh doesn't open at domestic level, and Katich is getting on in years - with Ponting and Hussey already there, that's a stretch.

Perhaps something more along the lines of:

Cosgrove (fantastic form, especially in poor batting conditions. Don't care about his weight; he can field in slip, which is something we need)

Watson (can't argue with his record. Keep him up top until Maddinson is ready, which hopefully won't be too long)

Khawaja (has the class and technique to succeed at the critical position)

Ponting (a move down the order could see him rediscover his ability, but must be transitioning out)

Clarke (likewise; shift him down the order to see him return to his true ability)

M.Hussey (form makes it hard to leave him out just yet)

Haddin (until Paine overtakes him, which won't be long)

Johnson (still a destroyer on his day, and a capable batsman)

Butterworth (solid batsman and terrific bowling form)

Hauritz (likewise)

Copeland (exceptional record, built up a bit of experience and worth a shot)


McDonald, S. Marsh, McKay, Cameron, D. Hussey, Paine, Wade, White and Ferguson would have to be floating around the side as well.
 
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Hope they manage to get the ODI in Brisbane to still go ahead. That would be a pretty special moment.

Australia looking good in the first ODI. :)
It's on the 30th, so two weeks away. It will happen.

Was checking scores, as my TV is still having problems. Anyways, thanks to Shane Watson's awesome innings. On twitter, Peter Helliar declared him our Luke Skywalker, as he is our only hope. :guffaw: It was funny what someone calling himself the FakeShaneWatson was saying during the night also.
 
Cosgrove (fantastic form, especially in poor batting conditions. Don't care about his weight; he can field in slip, which is something we need)

Me either. Cards have been marked though, so forget him.

Watson (can't argue with his record. Keep him up top until Maddinson is ready, which hopefully won't be too long)
Problem is, he's our best bowler. Needs to bowl more, and therefore bat at 6.

Khawaja (has the class and technique to succeed at the critical position)
Looks that way. Big ray of hope.

Ponting (a move down the order could see him rediscover his ability, but must be transitioning out)
Must keep going. Class is permanent. Praying he has an indian summer or two in him.

Clarke (likewise; shift him down the order to see him return to his true ability)
Finished. Looked terrible tonight, again, and if not for Watson playing the innings of his life, would have cost us the match. Again.

M.Hussey (form makes it hard to leave him out just yet)
Deserves to play as long as he wants.

Haddin (until Paine overtakes him, which won't be long)
If Hilditch survives beyond the World Cup, I expect that we've seen the last of Haddin as a test player, which is pretty bloody harsh seeing only he, Watson and Hussey bothered to turn up for us this year.

It seems Paine is going to be shoehorned into the side as the man most likely to take over from Ponting, and Hilditch's media comments have seriously messed with Haddin's head - he missed three stumpings today. Hard not to feel for him.

Johnson (still a destroyer on his day, and a capable batsman)
Finished. Can't afford to pick an unbalanced team any more to cover for his bad spells.

Butterworth (solid batsman and terrific bowling form)
Having a brilliant year, but time is not on his side.

Hauritz (likewise)
Unlikely to play again while Ponting is around. Doherty was very poor today, so if there's any justice Hauritz will be recalled for the World Cup though.

Copeland (exceptional record, built up a bit of experience and worth a shot)
You'd think so, but looked massively out of his depth in the PM's XI game.

Thinking Starc is ahead of him in the queue after his demolition of Sri Lanka earlier in the summer. Pattinson is likely next cab off the rank though.
 
Cosgrove (fantastic form, especially in poor batting conditions. Don't care about his weight; he can field in slip, which is something we need)
Me either. Cards have been marked though, so forget him.
As long as so many people from SA have any say, Cosgrove hasn't got a prayer. Pity; he seems to have found some consistency in Tassie, although how much that means with the current standard of Shield cricket is another matter.

Watson (can't argue with his record. Keep him up top until Maddinson is ready, which hopefully won't be too long)
Problem is, he's our best bowler. Needs to bowl more, and therefore bat at 6.
"Best bowler" is debatable - most economical, maybe. Definitely not an opener, IMO, although he's done well there. Gets out in the 40s and 50s too often, though.

Khawaja (has the class and technique to succeed at the critical position)
Looks that way. Big ray of hope.
Agreed.

Ponting (a move down the order could see him rediscover his ability, but must be transitioning out)
Must keep going. Class is permanent. Praying he has an indian summer or two in him.
Looking at what Tendulkar and Kallis have recently achieved, at similar ages, you'd like to think Ponting can rediscover form and do something similar. Two key differences, though: Neither of the other two captains his country, and (perhaps even more critically) they're both part of far stronger and more stable batting lineups. Ponting's had to carry a lot of extra weight in both respects.

Clarke (likewise; shift him down the order to see him return to his true ability)
Finished.
Oh come on, BB - however much you dislike the bloke, describing him as "finished" is ridiculous. There's no reason he can't regain form.

M.Hussey (form makes it hard to leave him out just yet)
Deserves to play as long as he wants.
Agreed.

Haddin (until Paine overtakes him, which won't be long)
If Hilditch survives beyond the World Cup, I expect that we've seen the last of Haddin as a test player, which is pretty bloody harsh seeing only he, Watson and Hussey bothered to turn up for us this year.
Hilditch's stupidity and arrogance is beyond belief, really. His recent remarks about Haddin should ensure he's dumped from the selection panel. They probably won't, though. :rolleyes: I'm yet to be convinced about Paine in a leadership capacity.

Johnson (still a destroyer on his day, and a capable batsman)
Finished.
Should be, but won't be. The bewildering obsession with this bloke will continue because too many people (no offence whatever intended, donners) believe that his very occasional good moments make him worth persisting with. He has countless technical flaws, seems to have little or no capability to correct them, and needs everything to suit him before he'll do anything. Should never play any kind of cricket for Australia again but he won't be dropped.

Butterworth (solid batsman and terrific bowling form)
Having a brilliant year, but time is not on his side.
Would end up in Stuart Clark's position - got the goods but "too old".

Hauritz (likewise)
Unlikely to play again while Ponting is around. Doherty was very poor today, so if there's any justice Hauritz will be recalled for the World Cup though.
Whatever Ponting (allegedly) thinks, Hauritz is the best option we've got. Dismal thought, but true. Get over it and pick him.

Copeland (exceptional record, built up a bit of experience and worth a shot)
You'd think so, but looked massively out of his depth in the PM's XI game.
Results in Shield cricket don't really amount to much any more, unfortunately. Still, he can't be any worse than Hilfenhaus.

Thinking Starc is ahead of him in the queue after his demolition of Sri Lanka earlier in the summer. Pattinson is likely next cab off the rank though.
Both of them have too many injury concerns for comfort.


Good win last night, and good for Watson. He's apparently off to Ipswich for a couple of days; recent events have hit him pretty hard, which makes last night's effort all the more impressive. :bolian:
 
The World Cup squad:

Ponting (Capt)
M.Clarke (VC)
Bollinger
Haddin
Hastings
Hauritz
D.Hussey
M.Hussey
Johnson
Lee
Paine
Smith
Tait
Watson
White

Ferguson, Marsh, Doherty, Hodge and Siddle are among the notable exclusions.

Mike Hussey is in a bit of doubt with a hamstring injury. He might be right in five weeks, but the next six ODIs against England could be used as an audition for a replacement.

Can't say I agree at all with the selections of Smith and Tait, and Dave Hussey is also a bit borderline with his recent form. Hastings is somewhat left-field.
 
The Hastings selection is, to put it politely, bizarre. I'd never heard of him (not that that's of any relevance, of course) until that ridiculous, pointless and stupid one-day series against Sri Lanka before the recent abomination of a Test series, and it would be nice to know what James Hopes - a very reliable member of the one-day side for quite some time - did to "deserve" to be dropped. Johnson, Lee and Tait on subcontinental pitches is a recipe for disaster - all can be very expensive and it's not as though those wickets are famed for their pace and bounce. (Of course, Johnson hardly ever lands the ball on the pitch anyway so that part's not really relevant to him, but I digress.) Bollinger hasn't exactly set the world on fire this summer, either; his fitness is clearly an (ongoing) issue. David Hussey is a class act so I have no problem with his inclusion; Hodge was never going to be picked (I can only assume he killed a selector's dog / child / spouse / parent / something, because his continued non-selection can't be explained in any rational terms), and the other omissions were predictable. I'm glad they finally manned up and picked Hauritz, though.

Not a squad likely to deliver our fourth consecutive World Cup, at any rate. Too many out-of-touch batsmen and too many bowlers who leak runs at a rapid rate.
 
Hastings is probably a better bowler than Hopes, and a bigger hitter, but I would regard Hopes as the better overall player.

It's curious that the selectors described Hastings as a defensive bowler, when he goes at above 5 an over in domestic one-dayers. Then again, they also described Hauritz as a bowler with a great record in India, when he has a handful of wickets there at an average over 70!


Hodge is apparently in the Jones/MacGill/Rogers doghouse - just doesn't fit in with the team or selectors because of his personality. MacGill was able to play a fair bit because he was that damned good and we had no other options, but batsmen are easier to replace.

Dave Hussey has had a shocking ODI record and domestic one-day form, but hopefully his class will come through. Unfortunately, we're also hoping for the same from Ponting and Clarke, which is dangerous.

I agree that the bowling lineup is going to be prone to leak a lot of runs. Thank goodness we're playing the likes of Kenya, Canada and Zimbabwe first up.

Oh, and LOVE your avatar!
 
Hodge is apparently in the Jones/MacGill/Rogers doghouse - just doesn't fit in with the team or selectors because of his personality. .

ie : not a bogan with a McMansion in the Sutherland Shire, tattoos and a bimbo girlfriend. Those not in this category and/or capable of an intelligent thought (MacGill, Stuey Clark) have struggled to hold a spot in the past few years, haven't they? Hodge's case is an interesting one, plenty of smears that he is up himself, not well liked 'in the dressingroom', etc, but seriously one of the hardest luck stories of all time. Oh, and why did they bother to pick him in the 30 man squad - everyone knew he'd never make it (including him - see his media comments re : the selectors).

Time to add Jason Krejza to the doghouse club as well I suppose. I've been watching him - he looks the most potent spinner in the country and seems to consistently get important wickets in the 20/20 format. Surely he should be in the squad to back up Hauritz? Anyway, it seems his cards have been given the 'never to play for Australia again' stamp.

Hussey has torn the hamstring from the bone, so you'll be lucky to see him back within six months. Hard to see us mounting a challenge without his class in the short form game. It all comes down to Watson and White. If they struggle we're in big trouble. It will be a World Cup for power hitting. Scratching around with out of form players will see us lucky to win a final. Looking at our opponents, the group stage should present no great dramas, even for us in our current form.

Agree with all the comments on the bowling. Massive roll of the dice from the selectors - they're hoping the fear of broken bones will get us through. Maybe. But it's sure to see us chasing 400 in one of these games as well. I'd say they've concluded the group stage will be a cakewalk, and then they're hoping Tait and Lee can blast us over the line, but I would be astounded if all three of Lee, Tait and Bollinger made it through the campaign uninjured.

By the way, guys, you may enjoy this article on the plight of Australian cricket. This summer's best piece of cricket writing.
 
Hodge is apparently in the Jones/MacGill/Rogers doghouse - just doesn't fit in with the team or selectors because of his personality.
Yeah, there is that. Whether it's true or not I don't know, but the fact he spat the dummy and chose to whinge endlessly about his non-selection in the media, rather than get on with it and let his bat do all his talking, probably didn't help his cause much, either. Whining rarely does.

Oh, and LOVE your avatar!
Thanks. :bolian: He was a lovely little bloke; sadly, he died just over 12 months ago so the av is an anniversary tribute-type thing.
 
Comedy highlight of the season is the video on this page, for sure. :lol:

I'll give my old mate Clarkey credit here, he handled this with aplomb. The kid is spot on though, let's hope he took the advice.
 
And after all that, it looks like Hauritz has buggered his shoulder and quite likely won't go to the World Cup after all. Hopefully it isn't that serious, but it certainly didn't look that way. Poor bloke; it's a cruel sport at times.

Edit: Oh, good - looks like yet another injury for Tait. Geez.
 
You really have to wonder whether some people will ever get a break in sport, as in life. Hauritz, the poor bastard is a prime example. Others in that team seemingly have a golden ticket for selection, but he's had it made clear to him (publicly) that those that matter have little faith in him, so he was dropped despite being one of many candidates who could have gone after that Indian series.

He's had to watch a spinner with a first class average of 45 and a grade cricketer get picked ahead of him in the Ashes, and when weight of performance smears the selectors' faces with enough egg that he must be recalled, he busts his shoulder.

I, too, hope his injury looked worse than it actually is.

Is Tait injured too? Have we unravelled already? Just quietly, Doug Bollinger looked like he was about to drop out there as well.

Has our World Cup campaign imploded in one night?

Positives :

  • Marsh has surely pecilled himself into our middle order for our next test. Jeez he was hitting the ball well today, in very tricky conditions. Cam White impressed, too.
  • Clarke put in his best performance as captain by miles tonight - his bowling changes were excellent.
  • Fielding was much more like it.
  • There are limits to England's newfound depth - Yardy and Tredwell look pretty ordinary.

Negatives :

  • Two bowlers with injuries, and a third looking out of condition.
  • Haddin must be getting very nervous. Expect Paine to play as a batsman sooner rather than later.
  • Clarke continues to look horrendously out of form.
  • Smith really looks like he's gonna struggle with international cricket at this stage.
  • We won, but only on the back of another solo effort from a batsman playing the ODI innings of his life.
  • Our fifteen man world cup sqaud is locked away, so unless there are injuries, we're stuck with Clarke, Ponting, Smith, etc...and if Hussey somehow miraculously recovers, Marsh misses out.
 
Mildly interesting article in today's Herald: former chairman of selectors Hohns (an individual I hold in no higher regard than any of the current selectors) explains why Hodge was dropped. How believable any of it is is another matter, but if this is the explanation it's...err...rather belated, isn't it?

Regardless of whether or not Hohns is to be believed, IMO Hodge didn't help his cause at all by whinging so much about it in the media. Yeah, the selectors could have been more communicative but bitching about it ad nauseam didn't help matters.


Anyway, we should be able to manage 215. Actually doing so is another matter altogether.
 
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