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The Ashes - 2010/11

From what I saw of this test, it was very disappointing for Australia, but England were the better team.

With Ponting as captain, hopefully the silly selectors will move him down the order. At the moment I'd prefer Ponting as captain until the Captain is ready than having Clarke as Captain for Sydney.
 
Agree 100%.

The selectors would just taking the right royal piss by making Clarke captain when he shouldn't even be in the side. It would be a big mistake for all concerned, particularly the player in question, who needs to be told that nobody is an automatic selection, and to go back to domestic cricket to earn his place. This would have the added benefit of us winning a few more ODI and 20/20 games without his selfish, soporific batting.

Let's face it - Clarke and Ponting's failure to turn up for this series has been the biggest cause of this disaster. we've been 2/0 every innings.

I'm no big Ponting fan, but he does need to hang around another season, with Hussey rewarded for his gutsy batting this year and being appointed Vice Captain. Punter needs to swallow his pride and drop down to number 6 while we unearth a leadership group.

Cameron White should take over as ODI and 20/20 captain after the World Cup, he being the man most likely to be a future test captain capable of taking over in the next 12 months.

Some rumours going around about an internal disciplinary hearing for an unnamed Australian bastman taking place this afternoon. Interesting.

Also, there's plenty of media talk that Clarke is set to take over as captain, starting in Sydney.

Surreal.

Anyway, the most humiliating loss probably in the history of Aussie cricket has been inflicted on us - big congratulations to England who really have done the business on this tour.

The English had 12 valuable contributors, with Collingwood the only squad member earning a fail grade.

Conversely I'd award fails across the board to our squad with the exceptions of Hussey, Haddin, Harris, Siddle and Watson, who get pass marks (barely in the case of the latter two).

The long, painful rebuild might as well get underway next week. Give Beer a debut replacing Harris, and see if he's worth perservering with. Khawaja demands selection at three, replacing Ponting, and despite the circumstances, Katich should be given a farewell game, replacing Hughes. Who they replace Hilfenhaus with is anyone's guess. Bollinger I suppose.

No easy answers to this situation. :borg:
 
There will be one forced change for the fifth test, Ponting is out due to his finger getting worse and it looks like Clarke will be captaining the side.
 
Happy New Year, guys.

Another test, and another puzzling effort from our selectors.

I would have thought our worst home series performance in thirty years would have been sufficient ammunition to fire off a bit of dead wood and make some selections with an eye to the future, but aside from the two forced changes (Khawaja for Ponting; Beer for Harris), we're keepin' the faith, because things are going along just fine!

On paper, this XI would have to be the worst Australian team I can remember seeing, led by one of the most controversial sportspeople in Australia. A poll in the Herald last week asked the question : "Should Michael Clarke captain Australia?". 12,000 people voted, and 92% said no. :eek: I don't think he's worth a place in the side, but if I were a betting man, I'd have a lazy fiver on Mr Image Crisis top scoring in a dead rubber test.

Let's hope Khawaja and 'Pinta' Beer can keep the nerves under control and make solid debuts. The SCG has been kind to us in these dead rubber games, but I fear only a sloppy, hung over England and plenty of rain will stop this lot getting steamrolled by a whopping margin...again. Weather in Sydney looks like it will contribute its part, but I'm not sure our opponents will take their foot off our throats.
 
It's certainly an...interesting team. I've seen worse, though.

I have to say I don't get the Clarke loathing, any more than I get the Ponting dislike (or, for that matter, the absurd fawning over Warne - a more complete arsehole than either of the others combined on their worst days could ever hope to be). I don't put much stock in rumours and polls, either. I'm not overly fussed about the bloke but I don't get why he's supposed to be such a jerk. Eh, to each their own. His stats had been pretty good up until recently but he's hardly Robinson Crusoe in the poor form department.

Changes should have been made to the side last summer, if not earlier. They weren't, and it's too late now. Remember that the Shield competition has been in limbo for a few weeks, so it's not as though bowlers in particular have much proper match time under their belts. Get this disaster of a series over with, rather than devalue the green cap any further with wholesale changes. Who is there to pick, anyway? After that...well, if there aren't very significant changes in Australian cricket generally, the 80s are going to look like a golden era for us.

The Beer selection is a joke. I won't hold my breath waiting for any of the selectors - and I'm including Chappell now - to grow a pair and admit that dropping Hauritz was a mistake. He'd made a better fist of the spinner's role than any of the (now) nine others they've tried since the bloated ego Warne retired. By selecting someone who made his first class debut in October and had never even been to the SCG until a few days ago :wtf:, the selectors have just made themselves look even more stupid than they already had (that's actually no mean feat). Maybe he'll bowl well. It's more likely he'll be belted out of the ground.

The Khawaja selection is more like it. Even though the Shield comp is much feebler than it used (and ought) to be, he's at least clocked up some decent performances since he came into first-class cricket. From all accounts he's technically sound and he can occupy the crease - qualities in very, very limited supply among our batsmen in recent times. It may be significant that he's played very little limited-overs stuff for NSW.

The bowling is an even bigger worry than our increasingly feeble batting. The same fast bowlers who've done stuff-all for most of the past two or three years are still there, despite doing little or nothing to justify their selections. Again, there aren't a lot of other possibilities available but continuing to reward mediocrity isn't working, either.

There's a lot of things wrong with Australian cricket and they're not going to be solved any time soon. No one planned ahead during our long period of success - whether they were stupid enough to believe that top-shelf and once-in-a-generation players (I despise Warne, but no rational person could deny his greatness as a bowler) would just keep popping up or what, I don't know, but it doesn't work like that. We used to sit back and laugh at the English county system, where blokes would play forever because the money was so good - well, we've adopted that system ourselves now, thanks to player greed and the cricketer's association screeching for even more at every available opportunity. Kids would apparently rather represent some (AFL) club than their state or country. These - and other problems - aren't going to go away in the short term, if ever.

For all that, some perspective would be good, particularly from the media. People have said all these things before. The wheel always turns and it's our time to be at the bottom of the heap. Things have to change but there's no need to go overboard. Yes, we lost the Ashes and that sucks. But no one has died, been permanently incapacitated, pronounced terminally ill or anything else along those lines. If we'd won them back we wouldn't have cured cancer or AIDS or done anything else of lasting significance (and England's success hasn't done those things, either). It would be great if we'd done better, but the world hasn't ended because we didn't.

Here's hoping we have a bit more of a go this time around, anyway.
 
Great post - agree with much of what you've said. We've been embarrassingly poor, but I think the local media are under selling our opponents - this English side are the real deal. Just on a different plane to any other English team I've ever seen in terms of tactics, batting skill and depth of bowling talent. They'll push South Africa and India all the way.

It's certainly an...interesting team. I've seen worse, though.

God help whoever they were. :lol: I'm old enough to (barely) remember the days of Mo Matthews, Fat Cat Ritchie etc... At least that side had Border, a young S.Waugh. They were at the very bottom of world cricket, but often out-enthused their opponents, and prided themselves on being the best fielding side. They'd beat the current Aussie team, no risk.

I'm not overly fussed about the bloke but I don't get why he's supposed to be such a jerk. Eh, to each their own. His stats had been pretty good up until recently but he's hardly Robinson Crusoe in the poor form department.
Someone pointed out to me that Clarke now averages 16 from his last twenty tests. There's no way he should be in the side, but I do feel a bit for him having the vast majority of the SCG boo at him when he walked out on his home ground today for the first time as captain. I had no idea the public feeling against him was so palpable. His mind must be in turmoil. Adding the captaincy to his plate is just a dreadful move.

Changes should have been made to the side last summer
No question. What a missed opportunity. Imagine if Khawaja had a dozen tests under his belt going into this series.

The Beer selection is a joke. I won't hold my breath waiting for any of the selectors - and I'm including Chappell now - to grow a pair and admit that dropping Hauritz was a mistake. He'd made a better fist of the spinner's role than any of the (now) nine others they've tried since the bloated ego Warne retired.
Hauritz won't play again as long as Ponting is in the set up. Doesn't rate him at all. Hauritz had plenty of chances to bowl us to last day wins, but could never seem to seal the deal for us. I agreed with dropping him, but the manner in which it was handled was awful for him. You could never say Hauritz wasn't giving it his all for Australia, and his humiliation by the selectors at the start of the season was dreadful.

And you're right, after the Doherty experiment failed, the spin bowling cupboard is so bare that Hauritz should have been recalled to reward his commendable efforts since his dropping, and to show that Shield form still counts for something.

The Khawaja selection is more like it.
Yep, he looks the man for this crisis, and if he continues to show the kind of composure and defence he showed today, he'll own that number 3 spot, allowing Ponting to possibly prolong his career if the stubborn little bugger is willing to drop down the order.

Australia well behind after Day 1, but the weather should save us - more rain is expected all week.
 
It's certainly an...interesting team. I've seen worse, though.
God help whoever they were. :lol: I'm old enough to (barely) remember the days of Mo Matthews, Fat Cat Ritchie etc... At least that side had Border, a young S.Waugh. They were at the very bottom of world cricket, but often out-enthused their opponents, and prided themselves on being the best fielding side. They'd beat the current Aussie team, no risk.
Border aside, some of the teams sent out in the 80s were poorer than this. IMO, anyway.

Someone pointed out to me that Clarke now averages 16 from his last twenty tests. There's no way he should be in the side, but I do feel a bit for him having the vast majority of the SCG boo at him when he walked out on his home ground today for the first time as captain. I had no idea the public feeling against him was so palpable. His mind must be in turmoil. Adding the captaincy to his plate is just a dreadful move.
I'd gained the impression it was the English supporters in the crowd displaying their usual level of maturity by booing the opposing captain. Any Australian "supporter" who'd boo the national captain - regardless of their opinions of him - shouldn't bother going to the ground. In any event, there isn't anyone else to run the show in Ponting's absence. The calls for Cameron White to captain the team are laughable. It would reek of the Poms picking Brearley back in the day. We don't need to follow any more of their bad examples.

No question. What a missed opportunity. Imagine if Khawaja had a dozen tests under his belt going into this series.
We've gotten right away from the traditional Australian idea of throwing in younger players and giving them a go. Hopefully that will be the new mantra, hopefully put forward by a new selection panel. I won't hold my breath waiting for that, either.

Hauritz won't play again as long as Ponting is in the set up. Doesn't rate him at all. Hauritz had plenty of chances to bowl us to last day wins, but could never seem to seal the deal for us.
The wondrous Warne never did anything in India, either - in fact, his record there was very ordinary - so I don't get why Hauritz was supposed to win those Tests single-handed. Unless they're a McGrath or a Warne - once-in-a-generation freaks - no one can do these things on their own.
I agreed with dropping him, but the manner in which it was handled was awful for him. You could never say Hauritz wasn't giving it his all for Australia, and his humiliation by the selectors at the start of the season was dreadful.
I thought dropping him was a mistake, and that's been demonstrated quite clearly since. He bowled pretty well here last summer, but apparently failing to single-handedly knock over India negates all that. Pathetic.

The Khawaja selection is more like it.
Yep, he looks the man for this crisis, and if he continues to show the kind of composure and defence he showed today, he'll own that number 3 spot, allowing Ponting to possibly prolong his career if the stubborn little bugger is willing to drop down the order.
I was really impressed with Khawaja. He played each ball on its merits and looked prepared to sell his wicket very dearly, things a few other people in the side could learn from.

It was a better effort but yet again we threw wickets away at crucial times. The England bowlers only have to be patient and sooner or later our blokes donate their wickets. The Pom bowlers been good this summer but I don't think the South African and Indian batting lineups will be as charitable.
 
I'd gained the impression it was the English supporters in the crowd displaying their usual level of maturity by booing the opposing captain.

Nah, it was the vast majority - very conspicuous, and it had to have added to his mental turmoil. It's his home ground for god's sake.

The calls for Cameron White to captain the team are laughable. It would reek of the Poms picking Brearley back in the day. We don't need to follow any more of their bad examples.
You think? I reckon he's close. Clarke's position is untenable, and White's the only bat who stood up against Tremlett and Bresnan for Australia A on that wet pitch at the start of the season. He's been captaining Victoria since he was barely out of his teens. He seems to have the respect of everyone in the set up, and his batting has won us plenty of ODI's in the past year. Some shield runs would do his cause no harm though.

It was a better effort but yet again we threw wickets away at crucial times. The England bowlers only have to be patient and sooner or later our blokes donate their wickets. The Pom bowlers been good this summer but I don't think the South African and Indian batting lineups will be as charitable.
Yeah, our batsmen are the biggest worry for mine. Clarke, Hughes and Smith might as well just hold their bat in front of the slips and spare everyone the agony. Once again England didn't have to do anything special to run through us this morning. My prediction of a draw is looking decidedly dodgy now :o. Hold onto your hats for another innings defeat.

Speaking of South Africa, I watched Kallis hit yet another 150 last night. Like Tendulkar, he's in the form of his life at 35+. One of the all time greats.
 
I'd gained the impression it was the English supporters in the crowd displaying their usual level of maturity by booing the opposing captain.
Nah, it was the vast majority - very conspicuous, and it had to have added to his mental turmoil. It's his home ground for god's sake.
Hmmm. The media didn't give that impression, and they're usually the first to jump on such things. But if so, how utterly, utterly pathetic. :rolleyes:

The calls for Cameron White to captain the team are laughable. It would reek of the Poms picking Brearley back in the day. We don't need to follow any more of their bad examples.
You think?
I do. Bringing the bloke in just to captain the side? There'd be no other way to look at it.
I reckon he's close. Clarke's position is untenable, and White's the only bat who stood up against Tremlett and Bresnan for Australia A on that wet pitch at the start of the season. He's been captaining Victoria since he was barely out of his teens. He seems to have the respect of everyone in the set up, and his batting has won us plenty of ODI's in the past year. Some shield runs would do his cause no harm though.
Whatever happened to our philosophy of picking the best team and picking a captain from them? Is White seriously among the top six first class batsmen in this country? I don't give a crap how many one day games he's "won" - can he bat for a day or more in any conditions? Granted, no one else in our side can just now, but is he really the next best thing?

Speaking of South Africa, I watched Kallis hit yet another 150 last night. Like Tendulkar, he's in the form of his life at 35+. One of the all time greats.
Neither of them captains their side - that's got to be significant. An in-form Ponting is at the absolute least Kallis' equal, and recall that Tendulkar had a very lean period a few years ago that led to calls for him to be dropped. Ponting and Kallis are two of the best batsmen I've ever seen; Tendulkar is the best.

As for today...I was at work and didn't see any play; didn't hear much, either. Going on the "highlights" on the news, that was probably a good thing. Just more of the same. :rolleyes:
 
Highlight of the entire series - two words: The Hoff.

Had no problems handling Warney today. A shoe in for the Aussie middle order -get him in there!

Whatever happened to our philosophy of picking the best team and picking a captain from them?

Clearly it's been abandoned for this match ;)

Is White seriously among the top six first class batsmen in this country? I don't give a crap how many one day games he's "won" - can he bat for a day or more in any conditions? Granted, no one else in our side can just now, but is he really the next best thing?
The next best things are Cosgrove and D.Hussey, both of whom have seemingly had their cards marked never to play for Australia again.

After that you're looking at S.Marsh, Ferguson or White. Two of these three will be in our next test side which is why I reckon White's pretty close.

As for today...I was at work and didn't see any play; didn't hear much, either. Going on the "highlights" on the news, that was probably a good thing. Just more of the same. :rolleyes:
You were lucky. Our bowling just plain sucked. Hilfenhaus and Johnson served up some of the most putrid tripe you'll ever see. Both should be out of the team after this, but we all know Mitch will never have his golden ticket taken off him. We're very lucky they're three down - it flatters our efforts with the ball, that's for sure.

The post tea session was entertaining - Beer had Cook caught off a no-ball - denied a first test wicket thanks to a Bowden umpire referral. I have this horrible feeling he'll go wicketless now, but he was the best of our bowlers tonight. He's tall and unafraid to give it air, so maybe he's worth an extended run. He certainly kept Pietersen quiet in a long spell before stumps.

Beer's problem is he'll have a small total to play with in the fourth innings (if, indeed, they even bat again). Watch Collingwood ton up in his farewell test tomorrow.
 
It's way past time for us to agree to disagree about Clarke, BB, but let's formalise it anyway. :D

I saw the Beer no-ball - very clear-cut. Considering he's had stuff-all bowling lately it's probably no surprise.

And no, Johnson will never be dropped. He may occasionally be "rested" (:rolleyes:), but he won't be dropped. More's the pity.
 
I'll be happy when this series is over. Australia have been very disappointing. A lot of blame should be directed at selectors and the board. Haven't really watched much of the Sydney test, as I need to buy a new digital box sometime soon.

Saw on the news about the new Steve Waugh statue. He would be great to be involved somehow in the game again.
 
Yet another very embarrassing day's play - much of which I missed, thankfully. I cannot believe Johnson has made it to this level of cricket with so many technical flaws in his bowling action, no stock ball, so little clue of what he's doing... Does he not listen to Dennis Lillee?? Or anyone else? It's pathetic. Wish I'd been able to see Tendulkar vs Steyn last night - from all accounts it was a classic battle. There's certainly been none of that in this abomination of a series.

England to be 3-1 up this time tomorrow. Then I hope I can forget this series ever happened, while simultaneously hoping this is Australian cricket's nadir. I don't see how it could get much worse, although there's probably a way.

In general I loathe pink, but it was great to see so much of it about today. :bolian:
 
Don't know what you guys are on about, I think this has been an utterly fantastic series....... ;) :lol:

In all seriousness though I'd expect you to bounce back next time. From the sounds of it, perhaps an embarassment on home soil was exactly what was required to shake off some of the cobwebs around your selection process and get some heads out of backsides.

As, I think you've already mentioned, part of Australia's woes are down to their own poor form, but there's also England being in very good form, performing the basics to a masterful degree. So many positives for us coming out of this series; Cook has been phenomenal, Trott's done himself proud, Bresnan and Tremlett have shown that there's strength in depth within the squad and Anderson's performances have been as disciplined as I've ever seen them. Other than Collingwood, and perhaps KP, there aren't too many negatives.

Barring an epic turnaround, it looks as though it'll be at least a 2-1 win for England, which I'd very happily have taken before the series began. We'll enjoy it, but expect you back on form sooner rather than later. ;)
 
Don't know what you guys are on about, I think this has been an utterly fantastic series....... ;) :lol:

In all seriousness though I'd expect you to bounce back next time. From the sounds of it, perhaps an embarassment on home soil was exactly what was required to shake off some of the cobwebs around your selection process and get some heads out of backsides.

As, I think you've already mentioned, part of Australia's woes are down to their own poor form, but there's also England being in very good form, performing the basics to a masterful degree. So many positives for us coming out of this series; Cook has been phenomenal, Trott's done himself proud, Bresnan and Tremlett have shown that there's strength in depth within the squad and Anderson's performances have been as disciplined as I've ever seen them. Other than Collingwood, and perhaps KP, there aren't too many negatives.

Barring an epic turnaround, it looks as though it'll be at least a 2-1 win for England, which I'd very happily have taken before the series began. We'll enjoy it, but expect you back on form sooner rather than later. ;)
 
It's way past time for us to agree to disagree about Clarke, BB, but let's formalise it anyway. :D

:techman:

The golden boy is surely playing for his spot tomorrow. Ditto Hughes and Smith.

I'll be happy when this series is over. Australia have been very disappointing. A lot of blame should be directed at selectors and the board.

Likely she'll be all over tomorrow night, thankfully. But as a cricket lover I've enjoyed Cook's utter domination of our bowlers, Bell's strokeplay and Anderson's masterful swing bowling.

Wish I'd been able to see Tendulkar vs Steyn last night - from all accounts it was a classic battle.

Just test cricket at its best - the two masters of their respective crafts going at it hard and neither giving an inch. Steyn is a freak. His second or third spell is often his quickest I've noticed. He was landing lightning fast outswingers on the head of a pin repeatedly. Few could survive that kind of fire, and I feared Harbhajan Singh was going to need some serious dental work, but Tendulkar looks to have won the battle. India should win this test now if Kallis goes cheaply.

England to be 3-1 up this time tomorrow. Then I hope I can forget this series ever happened, while simultaneously hoping this is Australian cricket's nadir. I don't see how it could get much worse, although there's probably a way.
I'm starting to get very bearish. I think we're in deep shit as long as Hilditch and Neilsen are selection boss and coach. Both seem to offer nothing but pure B.S. when interviewed, and honestly how could a full time coach with assistants and presumably all the resources in the world allow a swing bowler to bowl halfway down the pitch all summer without noticing it's not going to work? That sort of elementary stuff should be fixed after his first over. What kind of selectors pick batsmen so injured and out of form they look like hunchbacked crabs at the wicket, feebly offering slips catching practice to anything outside off stump?

The best medicine for us may be to get flogged in the ODI's and then there will be some real media heat on Cricket Australia to address the real problems before we are faced with the prospect of India and RSA next summer.
 
Yeah, if we failed to make the one-day finals and were flogged in their precious 20/20 crap, it would prompt hysteria at Jolimont. It might be the only way those fools will wake up to themselves.

If Hilditch and particularly Nielsen - both absolutely clueless and both members of South Australia's long-running production line of (generally) cricketing mediocrity - remain in their jobs after this fiasco, every genuine Australian cricket fan should get out their pitchforks. My guess is it won't happen. Too many people would look too stupid, and lose their comfy positions of "power".

Next summer could be even worse than this one. :wtf: :eek:
 
Oh, and Botham can go and fuck himself. Anyone with a scintilla of intelligence - which explains his asinine remark, as he doesn't even have that much - could see that Philip Hughes didn't claim that catch. Arsehole. :rolleyes:
 
Well, it's now official. Paul Collingwood's bowing out of test cricket after this match. Admittedly he was very disappointing this series, but over the years he has served England well in general. He's doing the right thing, I think.
 
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