In SGU does everyone now have the Ancient gene, or the manufactured version, or do only a small precentage of the 80 people (like maybe a dozen or so) there have it which means that only that percentage will be able to operate the consoles etc and the rest have to depend on someone else doing stuff?
The Ancient gene?
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Indeed, was it not established that this technology was primarily used as an anti-wraith security measure? Or was that fan speculation I'm remembering?
The Dakara device was built before they left for Pegasus. The Ancient Technology Activation gene requirement has been implied as an anti Wraith measure. Technology that originated in the Milky Way has never been shown to need the Ancient gene to be operated. Even the drone chair in the Antarctic base was run by Beckett before he gave himself the gene therapy in the pilot. Hence the Gouald discovering and using ring transporter, and their back engineering of other Ancient tech, and the man in Window of Opportunity working the time machine.
IMO, the Ancient Gene thing was only invented AFTER they left the Milky Way galaxy. Case in point, ALL their technology found in the Milky Way galaxy, like the head suckers, and everything else they've found can be worked WITHOUT having that gene.
Therefore, I think they only introduced that when they moved to the Pegasus. Therefore, the Destiny was launched when they were in the Milky Way, so it does not have that technology, no gene is required to operate, anyone can. Same for Dakara weapon, built while in Milky Way, no gene technology invented yet.
Therefore, I think they only introduced that when they moved to the Pegasus. Therefore, the Destiny was launched when they were in the Milky Way, so it does not have that technology, no gene is required to operate, anyone can. Same for Dakara weapon, built while in Milky Way, no gene technology invented yet.
Beckett has a natural ATA gene. It is McKay that first used the gene therapy (for use with the personal shield).
Even if created before the move to pegasus, they came back and having develop such a security they could have upgrade their existing systems, especially one so powerful.
We also noticed other artefacts supporting this technology like the ancient repository of knowledge used by O'Neal.
The only time we saw them used however was when Jack activated the original two and when Daniel, under the influence of Merlin used the other one to build the Sangraal.
However I believe that the Ancient Gene control started with Atlantis when they built it on Earth. This would explain why the outpost had it. I also believe that the Headsuckers were installed after they returned from Pegasus with the Ancients knowing that they could never rebuild their civilization.
However I believe that the Ancient Gene control started with Atlantis when they built it on Earth. This would explain why the outpost had it. I also believe that the Headsuckers were installed after they returned from Pegasus with the Ancients knowing that they could never rebuild their civilization.
The communications stones had to be first initialized by someone with the gene, such as O'Neill and Joe Spencer from Citizen Joe. After this the stones could be used by anyone, as we're continuing to see.
So the Ancients clearly had their gene technology in one of their odlest desvices, dating back to when they spilt with the Ori, as proven by a terminal being seen in the flashback in The Ark of Truth.
Meanwhile, as far as I know the ATA gene being a secuirty measure against the Wraith was only a theory suggested by McKay.
So the Ancients clearly had their gene technology in one of their odlest desvices, dating back to when they spilt with the Ori, as proven by a terminal being seen in the flashback in The Ark of Truth.
Meanwhile, as far as I know the ATA gene being a secuirty measure against the Wraith was only a theory suggested by McKay.
Correct, in fact Daniel specifically said that Merlin must have modified the device so he could use it.
The chair in Antarctica required someone with the gene to operate it, so apparently they began making their equipment "us only" even before leaving Earth. The chair and the facility around it was, I believe, at or near the site of the other stargate, and was manned by someone who didn't go to Pegasus with Atlantis.
The need to have the "ancient gene" wasn't invented because of the Wraith, but was in use even before Atlantis left Earth.
In the Atlantis pilot, everyone was surprised to see that the chair activated when John sat in it. The Doctor was also among the few who could get the chair working.
As for the idea that the Earth equipment was upgraded to use the "gene" method after the Atlanteans returned by stargate to Earth doesn't quite make it, since they never woke up the woman who'd been left behind when Atlantis left. I don't think they did anything when they returned but try to get somewhere warmer than Antarctica.
The whole 'return to Earth' thing with the Ancients is a bit unclear anyway, tbh. however you look at it, it breeds a million questions.
If they came back through the gate, why was it buried in Antarctica and another one established on Earth? Did the Goa'uld arrive later, find Earth without an accessible gate, and put another one down? Why didn't they just move the Antarctic gate? How did they make the 'new' gate the primary gate? What about the 'point of origin is Earth!' plotpoint from Air? Was the point of origin the Lamda symbol we know as Earth or was it the O symbol of the Antarctic gate, which would have been 'Earth' at the time Destiny was launched?
If they didn't come back through the gate, how did they get back? And why was an Ancient woman frozen in the ice down there? Did they establish the 'new' Earth gate or did they not return to Earth itself at all in their second coming?
The first gate was in Antartica because at the time when the Ancient lived on Earth the first time it was a floorishing continent. The Goa'uld later came to Earth, having re-discovered the "first world" that didn't have a Stargate (being burried in Antartica) and they brought one from another world. The Ancient did return through the stargate (as depicted in the first season of Atlantis), likely comming through that gate and mixed-in with the human population (introducing the ATA-gene and influencing civilizations like the Roman republic).
The ancient burried in Antartica is from the Alterans prior to them moving out of the milky to avoid the ori plague or from those that stayed behind that were infected which ended up frozen when the climat started to cool down and caused Antartica to freeze over.
The ancient burried in Antartica is from the Alterans prior to them moving out of the milky to avoid the ori plague or from those that stayed behind that were infected which ended up frozen when the climat started to cool down and caused Antartica to freeze over.
But for that to be the case, the Ancients must have returned while the Goa'uld were already on Earth, or the Ancients would have been using the Antarctic gate again.
That was my thought, which still doesn't connect with the usage of the gate, particularly the woman frozen 'millions' of years ago in the ice. This suggests the original gate was inaccessible in Antarctica when the Ancients returned, which suggests they arrived at Earth by ship and placed the Giza gate on the planet, which was later used by the Goa'uld to discover and occupy Earth. It still doesn't really add up once you start to think about points of origin and the two-gates-one-world issue, but the timings begin to work a bit. I can accept the Ancients fucking about with 'dominant gates' more than I can the Goa'uld - it is made clear most of them don't have a clue how the gate system really works.
Don't dismiss the Goa'uld's abilities to understand Ancient technology as seen when Ba'al reprogramed the DHDs, for example. I'm pretty sure we saw the Ancient returning to Earth using the gate as depicted in the season 1 episode of Atlantis "Before I sleep". And I'm pretty sure (although I couldn't point a specific episode) that I was clearly stated that it was the Goa'uld that brought the gate to Giza. In galactic timeframe, 2000 years isn't that much of a margin of errors so the first Goa'uld may have come before 8000 years, maybe in a time when system lords were still strugglin so no clear ruler of Earth like Ra become 8000 years ago and the Ancient would have come through that gate. That's my theorie anyway, until the SGU shows us otherwise, obviously 
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