The all-inclusive "Sexiest Trek character" poll
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Again, I don't disagree. But it is the noble qualities that one looks for--if one is noble himself.
Even if a man finds certain qualities in a woman that he finds annoying, still, his subconciouss mind may be detecting elements of the heroic in her.
But when it comes to fictional characters, it's not like we're looking for fictional people to date or marry.And since are free of any such concerns, so we can indulge our fantasies, including the darker ones. How often do fictional villains or anti-heroes become sex symbols? In fiction, just like the most interesting characters are not necessarily the ones you'd want to hang out with in real life, some of the characters you drool over might be those you wouldn't want to have a relationship with, or in some cases, you wouldn't want anywhere near in real life.
I know. Still...it is a bit of a reflection of our innermost desires--that which we truly are attracted to....
Now...if one is sexually attracted to someone he truly despises...i.e., an evil woman, with no admirable qualities that a man could possibly "look up to"...well, suffice it to say that I agree with your statement about a man's "darker side".
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Threads on a BBS live and die at their own pace. There's no need to administer artificial resucitation.
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Continuing the scores for the top-five (or six, whatever):
Seven's in the lead, with 33.
Ezri's in second, with 30. (Behind by three--still got a noice shot)
Jadzia and T'Pol are tied for third, 27 each.
And...Kira and Leeta are neck-n-neck for fifth, 23 each.
(Anyone notice how most of the "finalists" are DS9 characters? And yes: STILL--they're all female. Hmm....)
Seven's in the lead, with 33.
Ezri's in second, with 30. (Behind by three--still got a noice shot)
Jadzia and T'Pol are tied for third, 27 each.
And...Kira and Leeta are neck-n-neck for fifth, 23 each.
(Anyone notice how most of the "finalists" are DS9 characters? And yes: STILL--they're all female. Hmm....)
The latter is hardly surprising. A poll in Miscellanous subforum showed that the male/female ratio in this forum is about 2:1.
A similar - though not multiple choice - poll in the DS9 subforum: Sexiest DS9 character had even more lopsided results:
135 votes
Ezri Dax - 34
Jadzia Dax - 28
Kira Nerys - 20
Leeta - 18
Bashir - 9
Dukat - 4
Ben Sisko -3
Worf, Garak, Weyoun, Jake Sisko - 2 each
Damar -1
Kassidy Yates -1
other (female) - 8
other (male) - 1
no votes for Keiko O'Brien, Miles O'Brien, Odo, Bareil or Quark
=> out of 135 votes cast, 109 for female characters and just 26 for male characters.
In other news, one of the interesting (although not at all surprising, not to me at least) statistics about this poll is that TOS is doing about as well as STXI, despite all the media talk about STXI being 'sexier' full of 'pretties' and 'hotter' young people, which I guess, TOS was not supposed to have been. (I always figured the people who wrote those articles never actually watched TOS, perhaps only TOS movies, so they are convinced that TOS actors were always middle-aged and that Shatner was always fat.
) The only STXI characters who have more votes than their predecessors are McCoy (not surprisingly), Scotty, and Uhura. Zoe's Uhura is beating both Gaila and TOS Uhura, which comes as a surprise, since every other thread and poll I've seen would indicate the opposite (usually followed by lots of comments about curves or lack of them...). Ladies and gentlemen, who is the sexiest star of the film?
Men - Gaila of Uhura - who is sexier?
Unfortunately having to throw out a quick thought at the moment as I'm about to head to work, but I intend to return to this in greater depth, I don't think cynicism or innocence have a thing to do with nobility or the potential for it, or that nobility or the potential for it necessarily have anything to do with finding someone sexually attractive. If it did, then children would be the most noble humans on earth, and George Washington, James Oglethorpe, and the like would be the biggest sex symbols in the history of ever. Neither are the case in my mind.
It never ceases to amaze me the amount of lust Ezri/Nicole gets around here. I mean the actress is cute, but hardly gorgeous and the Ezri character was one of the blandest characters on television.
Going back to the whole heroism thing now that I have a little more time, I don't get that theory at all. We're talking about what do we find sexy here, not what do we find the best quality in a life partner. Even if we were talking about the latter, I don't think heroism would make it to most people's top ten qualities for an ideal mate.
To me the Seven vs. Ezri is probably a lot more about body type and hair color than internal qualities. Some people really dig the tall curvy look. Others get off on the whole cute, petite thing. I'm personally more for the tall and curvy. While I can agree Ezri was very cute, cute is never sexy to me.
To me the Seven vs. Ezri is probably a lot more about body type and hair color than internal qualities. Some people really dig the tall curvy look. Others get off on the whole cute, petite thing. I'm personally more for the tall and curvy. While I can agree Ezri was very cute, cute is never sexy to me.
Actually, the DS9 "Sexiest Character" thread had Ezri in the clear lead.
I should know. I contributed to the thread tremendously.
The philosopical passage I quoted was referring to what one finds sexually attractive. And...I'd think that psycology does play a subconcious role, though one might not be overtly aware of it.
And "heroism" can, in one's mind, disguise itself under terminology as "strength of will", "character", "attitude", that sort of thing.
As I said...physical attractiveness is what catches one's eye. But attraction, sexual or otherwise, sooner or later goes deeper, as one's familiarity with the subject of attraction increases....
Actually, that was exactly what I was talking about. This forum - the Trek BBS forum - is the only place I've seen Ezri having that kind of popularity. Not the "General Discussion" subforum, which wouldn't make sense anyway, since pretty much the same people post in all the different subforums.
And I created it, so I tend to keep up with the results.I should know. I contributed to the thread tremendously.
^Ah. So you did.
It was an excellent thread, BTW. My compliments.
It was an excellent thread, BTW. My compliments.
Kirk & Kirk, Spock & Spock, old Chekov, new McCoy, Bashir, Dukat, Damar, Weyoun, Paris, Trip.
Well...there is a certain coolness in her "tough-as-nails-and-tougher" attitude...but I can't say I find anything hot about it.
Honestly. There is practically nothing about Seven that, as humans say..."turns me on"....
I'm sure psychology plays something of a subconscious role, but most of the people I see that I think are sexy are people I never get to know even in passing. It's a purely visual thing that may be enhanced by how they carry themselves or something overheard, but mostly, they're either hot or they're not. No further in depth analysis needed on my part.
With tv characters, my opinion may change over time depending on how they are portrayed, but the physical always remains somewhat divorced from the personality for me except for in extreme cases, such as the person turns out to be a complete sociopath with no redeeming qualities. In that case, they become much less attractive over time.
I don't think that heroism is synonymous with any of those traits. Some one can be very strong willed and completely loathsome and selfish. While character can contribute to heroism or vice versa, they are not the same thing. A person can have kindness, empathy, and decency of character but completely fall apart under duress. Attitude can encompass any number of traits, some desirable, some not.
Heroism is something very specific. Courageous action. That's something you'll never know whether a person possesses or not until they are in a situation that demands it, and they pull through. A car is on fire, and they rush in to help a trapped victim escape. Someone is being mugged, and they confront the mugger. What does that have to do with being sexy or with being a good life partner? Sure, I'd rather be with somebody I know has my back in a dangerous situation, but it's not a deal breaker if they pass out instead.
Who says attraction has to go deeper? On any given day, I could point out 20-30 people in a crowd I wouldn't mind banging. That doesn't mean I act on that impulse. It's a visceral gut reaction to a visual stimulus. Person A is sexy. Person B is not. Over half the time I couldn't begin to tell you why, considering I've seen beautiful and handsome people who I could appreciate on an aesthetic level yet did absolutely nothing to get my meter ticking. Siddig el Fadil is a perfect example of this for me. Very attractive man, not remotely sexy to me. Nicole de Boer is another one. Gorgeous face, cute lady, not sexy to me.
Your mileage may vary, but to say that there's some sort of cookie cutter, one size fits all philosophy that explains why people find other people attractive totally doesn't work for me. I think we all have our own ways of perceiving and judging, and we're all looking for something different. Some need to feel a connection, some don't. I like having a connection for sex, but I definitely don't need it.
Seven is plenty likable, depending on what you value.
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Oh, please. Intelligence, a weird sense of humor, and the vulnerable ex-borg kicked puppy look; sends my male protect-the-women gene all into overdrive.
Anyway; Saavik as played by Robin Curtis seems to be missing from the lest. Which is odd, as she's sexier as far as I'm concerned that Kirstey Alley. Indeed, she would be "Female other" I checked off.
^ Could be. We had a weird discussion in the VOY forum a couple months back in which one guy (I haven't seen him around lately) was claiming that all heterosexual men - all heterosexual men - if they are honest, would naturally gravitate to a beautiful curvy woman (e.g. Seven) over a delicate-looking, ethereal girl such as Kes, or Ezri in this case. This is assuming everything else was equal - you know, assuming the va-va-voom woman wasn't disqualified for being a horrible person or annoyingly stupid or something. I mean, he was really adamant about it. He talked about evolutionary tendencies and mate selection and all this stuff.
If anybody else in the thread, male or female, suggested something like, "But gee, some guys prefer this type of physique or that one," he would say that they would only do so only because they were "settling" - that all men wanted the va-va-voom girl, but they'd settle for someone else because they would think they didn't have a shot at the VVVG.
It was a very strange conversation.
Anyway, my point - and I do have one
I voted for both Ezri and Seven, however the guy is, well, wrong in being right.
What men are attracted to is the 6/7:10 - waist : hip ratio aka the hourglass figure. Why? Because women that have that hip ratio are more fertile, and more likely to produce viable offspring. And the closer a woman gets to that ideal ratio the more fertile she is.
Men instinctively know this, they instinctively look for women to procreate with, and so they consider women with that ratio sexier.
Of course, the rest of the body doesn't matter. She can have big breasts, small breasts, tall, a 100 pounds overweight, or small and petite, it's the waist : hip ratio that's indicator of fertility, and when men see that ratio, they're golden.
So, yes, the corset indeed helped a lot.
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