The absurdity of promoting Janeway to admiral

[Xerxes1979]

Why on Earth was Janeway put in a position to give Picard strategic orders regarding Romulans?

What happened to the Enterprise's old boss the nice Admiral Nakamura?

Why did they promote Janeway into a Necheyev like operations position against a threat power? Did Janeway have vast experience with Romulans?

Why would she choose a command admiralty position given her career history of coming up through the sciences? Surely Starfleet had a division dedicated to exploring and researching the Delta quadrant, why was she not offered a position there?

 

[Unicron]

Maybe they bribed her with coffee?

 

[Gaith]

Read somewhere long ago that they wanted a Seven cameo (canoodling with Barclay at the wedding, I hope), but Ryan wasn't interested/available so they went with Mulgrew instead.

In-universe, after all her traveling, a desk job probably sounded pretty good to her...

 

[F. King Daniel]

After seven years of "MUST GET HOME!", a desk job and publicity promotion (she'd be kinda famous) sounds about right to me. I don't think her job really related to Romulans at all - she was just handing Picard his orders. If she had a specific assignment it probably would have been the Borg.

Starfleet's always handed admiralty's out like sweets - Kirk was bumped up after his five-year mission, Picard was offered the rank of Admiral and post of academy commandant, Janeway's promoted when she got home and Pike was bumped up after being captured and tortured by Romulans.

It's harder to rise through the ranks of TBBS!

 

[Guy Gardener]

Janeway would have been the most lowest ranked type of admiral in those early days after her return, that she would be working for and under many other admirals who had seniority and rank on her.

Being that she was earthbound in spitting distance of possibly thousands of superior officers, there's no reason to believe that she was not an errand girl acting as a mouthpiece for the admiralty at large and certainly no reason to believe that everything they did that day wasn't mostly a series of doomsday contingencies dreamed up years earlier to react to an impossibly unlikely situation.

 

[doubleohfive]

You know, all these years later I still don't understand why some Trekkies' underpants get all bunched up over this topic. I've tried to hypothesize, on occasion, as to why and I never seem to come to any conclusive decision.

Why is the fact that Janeway was promoted to Admiral so absurd?

Is it because Janeway's a woman?

Is it because she wasn't the captain of the Federation flagship?

Is it because you think Picard should have been promoted instead, as if Janeway somehow was competing for the admiral's bars with him and won?

And even if it is because of any of these things, so what? What's wrong with Janeway being promoted to admiral? Nobody seemed to mind Kirk being an Admiral, then a Captain, then an Admiral again ... and then a Captain again in the TOS films. Nobody seemed to mind Sisko being promoted from Commander to Captain. Nobody seemed to care when Riker was captain of the Enterprise for an episode. Why is it that Janeway's admiralty is such a polarizing, flickerpiss=inducing topic?

For fuck's sake, it was a cameo. A tip of the hat to Voyager fans who would go see the movie, lending some continuity to the thing and otherwise rather harmless in the grand scheme of things.

In short - stop thinking so hard about minor, trivial tidbits like this. You just wind up spending more time not liking it than anything else. And lord knows, we already have enough Trekkie assholes who excel at not liking stuff as it is.

 

[Willieck]

Seems reasonable to me. After her little adventure a nice desk job seems about right.

 

[Shatnertage]

You know, all these years later I still don't understand why some Trekkies' underpants get all bunched up over this topic. I've tried to hypothesize, on occasion, as to why and I never seem to come to any conclusive decision.

Why is the fact that Janeway was promoted to Admiral so absurd?

Is it because Janeway's a woman?

Is it because she wasn't the captain of the Federation flagship?

Is it because you think Picard should have been promoted instead, as if Janeway somehow was competing for the admiral's bars with him and won?

And even if it is because of any of these things, so what? What's wrong with Janeway being promoted to admiral? Nobody seemed to mind Kirk being an Admiral, then a Captain, then an Admiral again ... and then a Captain again in the TOS films. Nobody seemed to mind Sisko being promoted from Commander to Captain. Nobody seemed to care when Riker was captain of the Enterprise for an episode. Why is it that Janeway's admiralty is such a polarizing, flickerpiss=inducing topic?

For fuck's sake, it was a cameo. A tip of the hat to Voyager fans who would go see the movie, lending some continuity to the thing and otherwise rather harmless in the grand scheme of things.

In short - stop thinking so hard about minor, trivial tidbits like this. You just wind up spending more time not liking it than anything else. And lord knows, we already have enough Trekkie assholes who excel at not liking stuff as it is.

I imagined William Shatner reading this---especially the last two paragraphs--in his SNL "get a life" tone, and in addition to be very funny, it was very true. To the extent that anything in the fictional Star Trek universe can bother me, this doesn't. Not at all. At the time, I thought it was cool to see Janeway and left it at that.

I'll tell you what would have been really divisive: Picard getting marching orders from Fleet Admiral Wesley Crusher.

 

[SPCTRE]

In short - stop thinking so hard about minor, trivial tidbits like this.

Woah woah woah, now you're going too far - this is, after all, a Star Trek board

 

[Kai Winn]

did it occur to you that some trek fans like crossovers? i don't complain about riker guest starring on voyager, or barclay, or even that awful woman troy.

 

[exodus]

Why on Earth was Janeway put in a position to give Picard strategic orders regarding Romulans?

What happened to the Enterprise's old boss the nice Admiral Nakamura?

Why did they promote Janeway into a Necheyev like operations position against a threat power? Did Janeway have vast experience with Romulans?

Why would she choose a command admiralty position given her career history of coming up through the sciences? Surely Starfleet had a division dedicated to exploring and researching the Delta quadrant, why was she not offered a position there?

Are you kidding?

She explored and charted new terrortory.
She made first contact with just as many if not more beand new aliens species than Kirk.
She brought back to Earth brand new technology for tactical & medical advancement.
She gained more info on the Borg than Picard ever did.
She brought home the suvivors of the Equinox & the remaining Maquis.

All that will help the Federation/Starfleet for decades to come. She deserved that promotion.

 

[AuntKate]

You know, all these years later I still don't understand why some Trekkies' underpants get all bunched up over this topic. I've tried to hypothesize, on occasion, as to why and I never seem to come to any conclusive decision.

Why is the fact that Janeway was promoted to Admiral so absurd?

Is it because Janeway's a woman?

Is it because she wasn't the captain of the Federation flagship?

Is it because you think Picard should have been promoted instead, as if Janeway somehow was competing for the admiral's bars with him and won?

And even if it is because of any of these things, so what? What's wrong with Janeway being promoted to admiral? Nobody seemed to mind Kirk being an Admiral, then a Captain, then an Admiral again ... and then a Captain again in the TOS films. Nobody seemed to mind Sisko being promoted from Commander to Captain. Nobody seemed to care when Riker was captain of the Enterprise for an episode. Why is it that Janeway's admiralty is such a polarizing, flickerpiss=inducing topic?

For fuck's sake, it was a cameo. A tip of the hat to Voyager fans who would go see the movie, lending some continuity to the thing and otherwise rather harmless in the grand scheme of things.

In short - stop thinking so hard about minor, trivial tidbits like this. You just wind up spending more time not liking it than anything else. And lord knows, we already have enough Trekkie assholes who excel at not liking stuff as it is.

QFT

I think it boils down to, "Get over it."

 

[vas2009]

What's wrong with Janeway being promoted to admiral? Nobody seemed to mind Kirk being an Admiral, then a Captain, then an Admiral again ... and then a Captain again in the TOS films. Nobody seemed to mind Sisko being promoted from Commander to Captain. Nobody seemed to care when Riker was captain of the Enterprise for an episode. Why is it that Janeway's admiralty is such a polarizing, flickerpiss=inducing topic?

For fuck's sake, it was a cameo. A tip of the hat to Voyager fans who would go see the movie, lending some continuity to the thing and otherwise rather harmless in the grand scheme of things.

In short - stop thinking so hard about minor, trivial tidbits like this. You just wind up spending more time not liking it than anything else. And lord knows, we already have enough Trekkie assholes who excel at not liking stuff as it is.

Fantastic! THANK YOU!

Why on Earth was Janeway put in a position to give Picard strategic orders regarding Romulans?

What happened to the Enterprise's old boss the nice Admiral Nakamura?

Why did they promote Janeway into a Necheyev like operations position against a threat power? Did Janeway have vast experience with Romulans?

Why would she choose a command admiralty position given her career history of coming up through the sciences? Surely Starfleet had a division dedicated to exploring and researching the Delta quadrant, why was she not offered a position there?

Are you kidding?

She explored and charted new terrortory.
She made first contact with just as many if not more beand new aliens species than Kirk.
She brought back to Earth brand new technology for tactical & medical advancement.
She gained more info on the Borg than Picard ever did.
She brought home the suvivors of the Equinox & the remaining Maquis.

All that will help the Federation/Starfleet for decades to come. She deserved that promotion.

Thanks for the reminder... it is so easy to forget with all the awful qualities we seem to defend. We should toss Xerxes1979 and others alike 70,000 lightyears away and see how well they fair. Cry like little bitches they would

 

[exodus]

What's wrong with Janeway being promoted to admiral? Nobody seemed to mind Kirk being an Admiral, then a Captain, then an Admiral again ... and then a Captain again in the TOS films. Nobody seemed to mind Sisko being promoted from Commander to Captain. Nobody seemed to care when Riker was captain of the Enterprise for an episode. Why is it that Janeway's admiralty is such a polarizing, flickerpiss=inducing topic?

For fuck's sake, it was a cameo. A tip of the hat to Voyager fans who would go see the movie, lending some continuity to the thing and otherwise rather harmless in the grand scheme of things.

In short - stop thinking so hard about minor, trivial tidbits like this. You just wind up spending more time not liking it than anything else. And lord knows, we already have enough Trekkie assholes who excel at not liking stuff as it is.

Fantastic! THANK YOU!

Why on Earth was Janeway put in a position to give Picard strategic orders regarding Romulans?

What happened to the Enterprise's old boss the nice Admiral Nakamura?

Why did they promote Janeway into a Necheyev like operations position against a threat power? Did Janeway have vast experience with Romulans?

Why would she choose a command admiralty position given her career history of coming up through the sciences? Surely Starfleet had a division dedicated to exploring and researching the Delta quadrant, why was she not offered a position there?

Are you kidding?

She explored and charted new terrortory.
She made first contact with just as many if not more beand new aliens species than Kirk.
She brought back to Earth brand new technology for tactical & medical advancement.
She gained more info on the Borg than Picard ever did.
She brought home the suvivors of the Equinox & the remaining Maquis.

All that will help the Federation/Starfleet for decades to come. She deserved that promotion.

Thanks for the reminder... it is so easy to forget with all the awful qualities we seem to defend. We should toss Xerxes1979 and others alike 70,000 lightyears away and see how well they fair. Cry like little bitches they would

WORD, yo!

 

[indolover]

Well:

- Picard never wanted a promotion, since Captain is a more hands-on role. I don't think he ever would get promoted for that reason (or at least accept one).

- Picard and Janeway (along with Sisko in fairness) are the legends of the day in Starfleet. Just as Picard helped beat the Borg, Janeway was the first ever Starfleet captain to chart the Delta Quadrant. How is that not an eternal accolade? Which Starfleet chief-of-staff wouldn't promote her from Captain to Admiral?

- I don't think promotions are that simple as the OP states. Officers that move up the ranks are so since they stand out. Over long periods of time, they show high levels of performance and outstanding conduct. Even if somebody is a science officer, they could show command potential, and eventually become an XO then a CO. This is similar to how Sisko became a command track officer, since he started out as an engineer (yellow uniform of course, not red).

 

[Kelthaz]

You know, all these years later I still don't understand why some Trekkies' underpants get all bunched up over this topic. I've tried to hypothesize, on occasion, as to why and I never seem to come to any conclusive decision.

Why is the fact that Janeway was promoted to Admiral so absurd?

Is it because Janeway's a woman?

Is it because she wasn't the captain of the Federation flagship?

Is it because you think Picard should have been promoted instead, as if Janeway somehow was competing for the admiral's bars with him and won?

None of the above. It's because it was a major case of Shilling the Wesley. Remember those scenes where Wesley would out-smart the highly trained members of the Enterprise and you just wanted to smack the little twerp? Well, that's why fans hate Janeway getting promoted above Picard. In order words the bipolar captain of the somewhat despised Voyager giving orders to Captain Picard is very off-putting.

 

[doubleohfive]

I doubt many Voyager fans or Janeway fans would agree with that assessment.

Besides, again, who the fuck cares who gives orders to Picard? How many asshole, douchebag admirals did he deal with throughout the series? Why the hell are people still --STILL!!!-- bent out of shape over Wesley? I mean the kid was GONE after a few episodes in the fourth season! What the hell else do you want?

The very notion that Janeway being promoted, and thus giving orders to Picard somehow equates to her being "better" or his being "lesser" is strictly a creation of those fans --such as yourself, it seems-- is petulant, ridiculous, and ass-backwardly inane.

You want to talk about absurd? That's absurd.

Take some prozac and grow the hell up already.

 

[henbane]

I doubt many Voyager fans or Janeway fans would agree with that assessment.

Besides, again, who the fuck cares who gives orders to Picard? How many asshole, douchebag admirals did he deal with throughout the series? Why the hell are people still --STILL!!!-- bent out of shape over Wesley? I mean the kid was GONE after a few episodes in the fourth season! What the hell else do you want?

The very notion that Janeway being promoted, and thus giving orders to Picard somehow equates to her being "better" or his being "lesser" is strictly a creation of those fans --such as yourself, it seems-- is petulant, ridiculous, and ass-backwardly inane.

You want to talk about absurd? That's absurd.

Take some prozac and grow the hell up already.

Couldn't agree more!!
Never seen a valid reason yet as to why Janeway should NOT have been promoted......as you say I think it comes down to "omg - they made her an Admiral......but but but she's a woman, and it makes her better than Picard and I can't stand that cos Picard was my hero".

 

[TedShatner10]

RedLetterMedia in his Nemesis review dully mumbles something along the lines of 'Should she be in prison?', then we cut to her making a deal with the Borg (to stop a greater evil; Species 8472) and then shooting a tied up hostage (that was really from a dubious historical hologram). That's lame by even his standards.

 

[doubleohfive]

RedLetterMedia in his Nemesis review dully mumbles something along the lines of 'Should she be in prison?', then we cut to her making a deal with the Borg (to stop a greater evil; Species 8472) and then shooting a tied up hostage (that was really from a dubious historical hologram). That's lame by even his standards.

Not so much 'lame' as much as 'fails to take in the context which those scenes were originally revealed,' which thereby negates the effectiveness of their inclusion, and his snarky remark.