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The 82nd Academy Awards & STAR TREK

MSNBC said:
The list of genre films that have been overlooked in the past is staggering. “2001: A Space Odyssey,” “Close Encounters of the Third Kind,” “Superman,” “Alien,” “The Empire Strikes Back,” “Blade Runner,” “The Matrix” and “Pan's Labyrinth” were all given the cold shoulder. So was the original “King Kong.”
Pan's Labyrinth was nominated. For Best Foreign Film. If we're calling that overlooking a film now, well, the Academy has much to answer for, no, with all those non-English language films it's 'overlooked' for decades?

I think the difference is that "Pan's Labyrinth" is one of the few excellent foreign-language films that did well in the U.S. and still were not nominated (e.g. "Life is Beautiful" and "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon"). "Pan's Labyrinth" is especially noted as an omission because it was also nominated for Best Original Screenplay, which is an even harder category for foreign language films to crack.
 
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Variety Article - "Will sci-fi find Oscar?"
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118012467.html?categoryid=3842&cs=1

Will an expansive 10-best list mean that the 6,000 Academy voters -- many of them over 60 and thus hardly the primary age group that gravitates to such fare -- open up the possibilities to more genre material? This year offers several well-reviewed sci-fi titles, from J.J. Abrams' successful "Star Trek" reboot to summer sleeper "District 9," produced by Peter Jackson with rookie Neill Blomkamp directing a cast of unknown actors and CG aliens.
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For its part, "Star Trek" faces an Academy bias against sequels. Unless the first movie in a series has been nominated, follow-ups never are -- or at least not to date. Academy voters are unlikely to give credit to a movie like "Star Trek," even if it is a wildly successful reboot of a revered franchise, because it is based on a familiar world and characters. No matter how excellent Paul Greengrass' "Bourne" sequels may be, the first one had to score in order for the others to have a chance.

Three factors will make the difference for sci-fi this year: preferential ballots, film critics' votes and game-changer status.

The final best picture nominations list will reflect the preferential ballots of the Academy. That means the movies that are given the highest-place votes on voters' ballots will wind up on the nominations list. If too many people vote for "Star Trek" or "District 9" as their ninth or 10th choice, that movie won't make the final list. That's because the PricewaterhouseCoopers folks start with 10 piles for best picture, keeping the titles with the most first-place votes and throwing out the films with the fewest first places. Then they go through the second-place choices, getting rid of the titles with the least votes. And so on through eight rounds.

In order for this year's sci-fi titles to make the final 10, many voters will have to feel passionately enough about them to put them at the top of their ballots. Many Academy voters adore James Bond movies but they don't tend to vote for them for best picture. Lower-ranking titles may fall off ballots as viewers finally see the big holiday films. Alternatively, if some late-breaking titles disappoint, voters may add "Star Trek" or "District 9" in order to fill out their lists. But will they rank them as their favorites? That will tell the tale.

Because the sci-fi genre has not been taken seriously in the past by Academy voters -- who tend to be high-minded at the time of balloting -- sci-fi films will need to gain credibility with help from critics' year-end 10-best lists and critics' group awards, which serve to remind voters of the best that the year had to offer. Critics' cred could push into serious contention a sci-fi title like "District 9," for example, which earned raves. Historically, reminds one producer, "Critics' favorites are given more Academy consideration than the well-made studio movie, the 'Spider-Man' or 'Iron Man.'"

In order for Cameron's "Avatar" to get beyond some Academy members' resistance to its blue, flat-nosed aliens, the pioneering effects film will have to break out as a game-changer, the way "Star Wars" did 30 years ago. 1997's "Titanic," which won 11 Oscars, was more than a disaster film with eye-popping special effects. It was a historic-period epic romance as well. Thus "Avatar," which by all accounts moves the art of performance capture and 3D filmmaking to new levels and could change the way movies are made, needs to work as a tragic romance as well as a sci-fi adventure and register as a major event film.

In the end, for sci-fi to break out of the technical Oscar ghetto this year, it will need to change its status as mere genre fare.
 
I think the difference is that "Pan's Labyrinth" is one of the few excellent foreign-language films that did well in the U.S. and still were not nominated (e.g. "Life is Beautiful" and "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon").
Eh? All three of those films were nominated for Best Foreign Film, and the latter two won. I thought that's what the Foreign Film Oscar was for.

Critics' cred could push into serious contention a sci-fi title like "District 9," for example, which earned raves. Historically, reminds one producer, "Critics' favorites are given more Academy consideration than the well-made studio movie, the 'Spider-Man' or 'Iron Man.'"

Sigh, there is the rub, ain't it? Sci-fi here is synonymous, justly to an extent, with blockbuster comic movies. It's certainly a comparison the new Trek consciously invites; but sci-fi is also a field with brilliant and wonderful Moon-type films, though I can't think of any films with Duncan Jones-esque direction, Clint Mansell-ish scoring and Sam Rockwell-like performances to name-drop off the top of my head. Kevin Spacey.
 
I think the difference is that "Pan's Labyrinth" is one of the few excellent foreign-language films that did well in the U.S. and still were not nominated (e.g. "Life is Beautiful" and "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon").
Eh? All three of those films were nominated for Best Foreign Film, and the latter two won. I thought that's what the Foreign Film Oscar was for.

Hold on. Sorry, I confused myself for a second.

I was trying to say that unlike "Life is Beautiful" and "Crouching Tiger," which were both nominated in both Foreign Language Film AND Best Picture, "Pan's Labyrinth," which was expected to be nominated because of its critical reception and its Best Screenplay nomination, was not.

There is a huge distinction between the Best Foreign Language Film category and the Best Picture category, just like there is between Best Animated Film and Best Picture. That's why movies can be nominated in both categories in both those cases.
 
There is a huge distinction between the Best Foreign Language Film category and the Best Picture category, just like there is between Best Animated Film and Best Picture. That's why movies can be nominated in both categories in both those cases.
I'd always preferred to believe it came down to wanting to honour non-English language films seperately and the awards were mostly just geared towards recognizing the best in Hollywood rather than in general, because the alternative (yes, folks, best film every year really is American except when it's British) is just too stupid to contemplate.

That is likely my naivete. Regardless, considering Pan's Labyrinth didn't win the foreign oscar, the snub does admittedly make sense (and losing to The Lives of Others is nothing to be ashamed about, either.)
 
There is a huge distinction between the Best Foreign Language Film category and the Best Picture category, just like there is between Best Animated Film and Best Picture. That's why movies can be nominated in both categories in both those cases.
I'd always preferred to believe it came down to wanting to honour non-English language films seperately and the awards were mostly just geared towards recognizing the best in Hollywood rather than in general, because the alternative (yes, folks, best film every year really is American except when it's British) is just too stupid to contemplate.

That is likely my naivete. Regardless, considering Pan's Labyrinth didn't win the foreign oscar, the snub does admittedly make sense (and losing to The Lives of Others is nothing to be ashamed about, either.)

The Foreign Language category is a little trickier than that.

You could have a movie that is 100% in a foreign-language, but if it was produced by the United States, it can't get nominated in the Foreign Language category. And until just recently, a France-produced film that is all in Chinese couldn't get nominated either since the language in the film had to be an official language of the submitting country.

In other words, this category has so many rules and requirements that it ends up disqualifying a lot of films that would seemingly make sense.
 
The Foreign Language category is a little trickier than that.

You could have a movie that is 100% in a foreign-language, but if it was produced by the United States, it can't get nominated in the Foreign Language category. And until just recently, a France-produced film that is all in Chinese couldn't get nominated either since the language in the film had to be an official language of the submitting country.

In other words, this category has so many rules and requirements that it ends up disqualifying a lot of films that would seemingly make sense.
Oh, that stuff I have a problem with. But I don't see how it's related to any criticism as to the other point of the award. I'd like to consider it in the manner I defined it above, misguided or no. (They haven't changed that rule, eh? 2001's Hindi-language The Warrior was disqualified from being a British submission on that basis, which is a pity as it's fairly good.)
 
The Foreign Language category is a little trickier than that.

You could have a movie that is 100% in a foreign-language, but if it was produced by the United States, it can't get nominated in the Foreign Language category. And until just recently, a France-produced film that is all in Chinese couldn't get nominated either since the language in the film had to be an official language of the submitting country.

In other words, this category has so many rules and requirements that it ends up disqualifying a lot of films that would seemingly make sense.
Oh, that stuff I have a problem with. But I don't see how it's related to any criticism as to the other point of the award. I'd like to consider it in the manner I defined it above, misguided or no. (They haven't changed that rule, eh? 2001's Hindi-language The Warrior was disqualified from being a British submission on that basis, which is a pity as it's fairly good.)

They changed it in 2006 or so.
 
The Academy just released the films in contention for the Academy Award for Visual Effects:

Angels & Demons
Avatar
Coraline
Disney’s A Christmas Carol
District 9
G-Force
G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra
Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
Sherlock Holmes
Star Trek
Terminator Salvation
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen
2012
Watchmen
Where the Wild Things Are

The list will be narrowed down to seven in January, and then from that shortened list, the three nominees will emerge.

Avatar is a given for one of the three slots. The other two will probably be 2012 and Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, but hopefully Star Trek can boot one of the latter two out.
 
Avatar is a given for one of the three slots. The other two will probably be 2012 and Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, but hopefully Star Trek can boot one of the latter two out.
I'm calling this for Avatar, either way, which is more like stating the obvious than showing any real signs of prognostication.

The film has been aired to a small audience, and reviews have already come in.

On the SFX:


And these are from reviews panning the movie.

That said, Avatar generally is getting good reviews (18 to 3 as of this post), so it may steal Trek's thunder as the crowd-pleasing sci-fi choice for Best Picture also. Time, subsequent reviews, and box office will tell, of course.
 
The other two will probably be 2012 and Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, but hopefully Star Trek can boot one of the latter two out.

I had the misfortune of seeing 2012 a few days ago.
There is nothing award or even nomination worthy about its Visual Effects, which at many points were amazingly bad for such a movie with such a budget.:vulcan:

If Avatar is actually as good as the trailer & reviews suggest it should win easily. Let's hope for a Trek nomination at least, though I somehow doubt it.
 
Yeah, Avatar is a shoo-in to win.

Here's another review from Variety:
"the picture is a triumph; it's all of a piece, in no way looking like a vague mish-mash of live-action, CGI backdrops, animation, performance capture and post-production effects. On top of that, the 3D is agreeably unemphatic, drawing the viewer into the action without calling attention to itself. The third dimension functions as an enhancement, not a raison d'être, so the film will look perfectly fine without it."
 
The only review I've read from someone actually seeing the film

As opposed to the reviews written by someone who hadn't seen the film? :vulcan:

Anyhoo, even here we find:

a movie whose effects are clearly revolutionary,

So I remain confident in my 'prognostication'. (My next prognosis: Sun to rise tomorrow morning.)

There is a little criticism:

but there's still an unmistakable emptiness to a movie so filled with digital creations.

Ultimately, the technology of "Avatar" isn't the problem — moviemaking, itself, is an exercise in technology. But one need look no further than Wes Anderson's "Fantastic Mr. Fox" to see how technique — whether it be antique stop-motion animation or state-of-the-art 3-D performance capture — can find soulfulness at 24 frames per second.

...but that seems to me to be about the film and the performances lacking soul rather than finding fault with the technology, though I may be reading this wrong.
 
The only review I've read from someone actually seeing the film said the story is weak and gave it 2-1/2 stars.

AP Review: Effects wow but story limps in "Avatar"

There are tons of reviews. They just had a critics screening this week. These links collect a lot of the reception.

Critics eat crow on 'Avatar' across the web
http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/2008-12...sts/critics-eat-crow-on-avatar-across-the-web

Avatar rocks the Oscar race, but can it win it all?
http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/2008-12...ar-rocks-the-oscar-race-but-can-it-win-it-all

Golden Globes ready to go gaga for 'Avatar'
http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/2008-12...sts/golden-globes-ready-to-go-gaga-for-avatar
 
With 23 reviews in at Rottentomatoes, it's getting a lukewarm 83%.
I want to visit the planet where 83% is lukewarm.

That is a reaction I'd define as 'mostly positive.' It may not be overwhelmingly positive (say, 90%+, which is what Star Trek wound up getting) but it ain't bad.

It's certainly better than more than a few previous Best Picture winners. And the numbers will naturally shift - up or down, who can say? - when it reaches general release and more critics get to weigh in.
 
I think 83% is lukewarm, especially considering the hype. On an educational grading scale, 83% is a B- in some schools and a C in others.

Star Trek has 95% at rottentomatoes. That's an A or A-.
 
I think 83% is lukewarm, especially considering the hype. On an educational grading scale, 83% is a B- in some schools and a C in others.

Star Trek has 95% at rottentomatoes. That's an A or A-.

I guess an 83% is bad for graduate school, but that's a weird scale to use for movies.

In any case, it's at 84% now. What would you consider positive?
 
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