Funny, I thought Locke was the best person on the Island.
Terry O'Quinn comments on the future of Locke *SPOILERS*
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Well he's certainly been a tragic one that's for sure. If that was indeed the last of the actual John Locke, it's just one more character that these writers/producers have shit all over.
In "Dead is Dead", people were joking about the fact that you didn't see Locke and the smoke monster, or Locke and Alex, at the same time, that they were in fact the same entity. Now I think that's exactly what was happening.
We know this:
"Esau" = Locke
Smokey = Alex
We strongly suspect this:
"Esau" = Smokey
Therefore if we are correct (and I think we are):
"Esau" = Alex
"Esau" (in the form of Locke) has been manipulating Ben from the moment Ben awoke from getting an oar to the head. Ben was "Esau"'s loophole, the way to kill Jacob. The island had nothing to do with Alex's edict to Ben.
Poor Ben. The master manipulator has been subjected to a master manipulation.
you know this is almost pretty much the same scenario that is going on in the HEROES finale. Kill off a lead character, but have the same actor stick around to play another character who looks like them. Although it seemed like it was executed better on Lost.
Yeah, it's sad to think that he was just manipulated throughout his entire life. It's a Greek tradgedy really.
^ That's how I see it. Locke is/was a tragic character.
Parts of his personality was really admirable, and other part of his personality were just sad and pathetic.
I would really like to see some kind of "redeeming moment" for him, somehow. Maybe part of him in NotLocke can still shine through.
Parts of his personality was really admirable, and other part of his personality were just sad and pathetic.
I would really like to see some kind of "redeeming moment" for him, somehow. Maybe part of him in NotLocke can still shine through.
Is the island a living thing? All the talk about "The Island" doing this and "the island" doing that has led us down to Jacob doing this (or, in the case of making dead people appear, often the smoke monster doing that).
I think there's some question as to whether or not smokey is everyone (I don't think Christian and Charlie are the smoke monster), but certainly Alex and Yemi were.
BTW,
Apparently, the producers referred to Esau as SIRG - Smokey in Random Guy
Honestly, I think good vs evil is just too simplistic for this. I think there's more to it than that. Different philosophies about the nature of man.
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Well it was just the smoke monster that told him (general thought, I believe backed up by the writers, is that the manifestations ie - Yemi, Alex in the scene you're talking about, are actually the smoke monster).
By now most people are assuming that the Smoke Monster is "Esau" (Jacob's enemy) or at the very least, working for or a tool of "Esau"
It was interesting that Jacob said to Ben, "What about you?" Jacob doesn't care for Ben? How do Jacob and Esau fall into the grand scheme of things regarding the Island, and what's so damned special about the Island (ie. The Blackrock floating off of its shores). How is Jacob able to leave the island to perform his various feats?
Why are we assuming Jacob is the good guy? Just because he's wearing a white shirt?
I've looked over that opening scene a couple times ... It looks like Esau wants this merry-go-round to stop, but Jacob doesn't. He just keeps bringing people to the island so they can kill each other off.
I think the only thing we know for sure at this point is that they are rivals. We don't know which one is the good guy - or if either is the good guy.
I've looked over that opening scene a couple times ... It looks like Esau wants this merry-go-round to stop, but Jacob doesn't. He just keeps bringing people to the island so they can kill each other off.
I think the only thing we know for sure at this point is that they are rivals. We don't know which one is the good guy - or if either is the good guy.
This had occurred to me too the other day, so I think you're onto something. The producers have long hinted that there was more than one "monster" on the island.
I think they made it seem at the beginning of the episode that Jacob is "good", but that later scene with Sayid, and how Jacob essentially took part in Nadia's death, didn't exactly make him a "good" guy...though it might be like "City of the Edge of Forever" (The Harlan Ellison TOS episode), where 1 woman has to die so millions can live.
Also, Jacob encouraged Sawyer's writing the letter that kept his hate going, despite his (uncle?)'s encouragement to move on form the tragedy & not dwell on hate.
Is anyone maybe getting a "Vorlons vs. shadows" vibe?
Also -- does Jacob "report" to anyone....he seems to be bound by some kind of rules...who imposed that on him?
I think that might still be the Deceiver but appeared as beautiful to Locke to convince him that he is special. He needs Locke to feel he is special and to set him up to eventually become the new leader. It's all part of the Loophole Gambit.
It also explains why when Ben, who was with fauxLocke, tried to summon the smoke monster, the smoke monster didn't show up. He was already there. Then fauxLocke/Smokey tells Ben, "Well, let's go, I know where Smokey lives."
If Christian isn't the smoke monster, why did he tell Sun and Frank to stay at the barracks and wait for John Locke to show up for further instructions? Christian then disappears and Ben and Locke show up. Christian also set all kinds of events into motion to get Locke to move the island, then go back to the mainland, and all but told him he was going to be a "sacrifice."
Not to mention, wasn't the there a big deal on this board about the smoke monster noise being heard right before Chrisitian appeared to Sun and Frank?
The thing I don't get, though, is if Smokey is in fact Esau, why does Smokey often seem so mechanical and limited in its abilities? A sonic fence built in the 70s keeps it out of the barracks, whereas Richard can apparently just waltz right through it (unless he was just wearing earplugs, in which case the fence is all but useless). It comes when being summoned -- apparently not all the time, but Ben did it in season four.
And why did it spare Eko, only to kill him later? And why did it break with its normal routine of staying in character when appearing as dead people when it immitated Yemi? He told Eko he wasn't Yemi before Smokey killed him. I can't think of another time one of the apparitions told someone, "You idiot, I'm not who you think I am." They always stayed in-character.
True, although we've seen Smokey light up with an inner white light when "scanning" someone, like Eko the first time he came face to face with it. It could have done the same thing to Locke, and Locke thought it was beautiful.
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