'Terra Nova' Renewal Could Depend On Mid-Season Flop

[Guy Gardener]

Religiously motivated people would fail the psych test.

It's ridiculous to trust anyone who thinks a man in the clouds is going to end the world some day soon.

Two thoughts.

Different universe means different God?

How do you explain to a Christian Extremist that the world existed further back than 6000 years? By rights, farther back than 6000 years is bothering god while he is still making the universe, which is just rude.

As far as the end of the world is concerned and the dead rising, and the the chosen being physically lifted to heaven... Please consider, even though it's in a different Universe, it's probably the same God in charge, but the dead don't go to heaven immediately, they wait in their graves till Armageddon, and THEN they get their salvation 85 million years later than they were expecting.

A wait like that is probably intolerable to a zealot damn sure they were born in the end of days.

In short, the end of the world is exactly what all the Jeudo/Christians and Muslims had been so fucking patiently waiting for, for the last couple millennia. This is what they were born for, this is their time, second thoughts at the 11th hour is quitters talk. The worse it gets, the smugger they become that they will be putting their feet up in rich man's paradise within the fortnight when everyone else will be burning in the pit.

 

[Kegg]

You have to wonder if the Catholics (and others) have finally approved abortion and condoms by 2149?

The Catholic Church isn't legal in China, and in its place the Chinese state has their own, state-run version of the Church that is pro-abortion.

So I'm guessing one way or the other not a lot of options to this.

 

[RJDiogenes]

But the whole point of Terra Nova is that the future is a disaster because of overpopulation.

I got the impression the future was a disaster because of industrial ravaging of the Earth's ecosystem, which is why people lived in those domes. Presumably there'd be more room if that hadn't happened, but one disgresses.

I got the impression that the future was a disaster because the Earth's ecosystem was ravaged because of overpopulation, which is why there was a restriction on reproduction, not that they were totally unrelated points.

On overage pretty good, and I do the usual: Spread the good word, write letters, vote. Not that this has anything to do with the bad writing on Terra Nova.

A society with restrictions on how many children you can have also being a society where you're unable to change those laws isn't bad writing, it's China.

You can blame the writers for a lot of things, but this would be like saying Terra Nova has bad writing because the father has teenage children, as opposed to blaming it for how it handles the teenagers and their relationship to their father.

Actually you were the one who brought up changing the law. I brought up the fact that they were unapologetic serial lawbreakers.

And the consequences of their criminal activity would not only affect them, but their baby-- whether or not they got caught. If we take what the writers wrote at face value, these are selfish, stupid people.

This is the conclusion you'd get if you feel it's right and moral for the state to restrict births and the desire to raise a child in opposition to that is negative, yes.

It has nothing to do with believing that it's right and moral. It's a question of knowing that it's a fact that there are consequences to breaking that law that will impact the child and not just themselves.

 

[Immolatus]

^^ Well, that's my problem with the parents: They are unapologetic criminals. In an overpopulated, resource-depleted world where a limit has been placed on reproduction, they chose to have an additional child. It wasn't an accident and there were no other extenuating circumstances; they just went to the "baby underground" because they decided the rules only apply to lesser people. Then, when they were caught, the father assaulted a cop (even though there were apparently no consequences to having an extra baby, since the mother got to keep her) and was sent to jail. So what did they do? They broke him out of jail and arranged for him to illegally use time travel to escape. It's amusing that these are considered role-model parents on a family drama.

you know your right I didn't see them like that. there criminals

 

[Immolatus]

Would you call them stormtrooper if they were looking for explosives of guns?

That's just what cops look like in the future.

Shannon was a cop.

Super hypocrite.

He probably took lots of kids off other people and melted them down for food cubes.

don't you mean soylent green

 

[RJDiogenes]

^^ Well, that's my problem with the parents: They are unapologetic criminals. In an overpopulated, resource-depleted world where a limit has been placed on reproduction, they chose to have an additional child. It wasn't an accident and there were no other extenuating circumstances; they just went to the "baby underground" because they decided the rules only apply to lesser people. Then, when they were caught, the father assaulted a cop (even though there were apparently no consequences to having an extra baby, since the mother got to keep her) and was sent to jail. So what did they do? They broke him out of jail and arranged for him to illegally use time travel to escape. It's amusing that these are considered role-model parents on a family drama.

you know your right I didn't see them like that. there criminals

I'm sure the producers didn't intend it to be that way; they just didn't think things through.

 

[Guy Gardener]

It's not wrong to wrong wrong doers because two wrongs make a right.

Wait?

What?

(Actually it's the same Logic they propels Dexter as a hero that he only serial kills serial killers, kinda like how in Chips they had to speed to catch all the people who would speed of try to run away from them.)

I was at a Canadian "download" site, and they were labelling this show as "New Land" rather than Terra Nova. I mean it's a Candian site, so for all I know they could be translating from and French constantly for all I know that the Latin just got lost in Translation...

Do we like "New Land" better than "Terra Nova" as a title?

 

[Takeru]

I'm sure the producers didn't intend it to be that way; they just didn't think things through.

Even if they didn't think this through while they were writing, shooting, re-writing and re-shooting, how could they not notice it when they edited the pilot?
I remember watching the first episode and when the son whined about "It would have been a fine if you hadn't beaten up the cop" I almost couldn't believe it. They literally spelled out that having a third child and having it discovered wasn't that bad ... so why was the dumbass dad attacking the cop and why were the cops so aggressive in the first place? Is the government so strapped for cash that the cops have orders to fullfill a quota? "Johnson, find third children and collect the fines ... NOW!!!"

Seriously, there was no doubt that the dad committed a crime and deserved to be punished, but I had the feeling I was supposed to feel bad for the family. After all the poor dad only did it because that stupid cop was going to find evidence for another crime dad and mom had committed earlier and they would have had to PAY A FINE! That's totally reasonable, everybody would have tried to beat that knowledge out of the cop's brain.

I really hated the pilot, the future setting was at least interesting, even if the story they told didn't make much sense. But when they reached the past it went even further downhill, the criminal family gets a slap on the wrist, move into their new luxurious home in the middle of paradise, baby girl feeds a cheap looking cgi dino and I'm bored to death. I think I remember a dinosaur attack because some idiots left the colony to drink and because dinosaur fences are for losers, but that was boring too and I was already half asleep.

I gave the next episode a chance, the one with the bird dinos, but that wasn't much better. Is there anything in the season worth watching? If it gets better I will give it another chance because I want to like it. A dystopian future, a colony in the past, DINOSAURS!? It sounds so awesome on paper.

 

[Forbin]

Is there anything in the season worth watching? If it gets better I will give it another chance because I want to like it. A dystopian future, a colony in the past, DINOSAURS!? It sounds so awesome on paper.

Nah, it pretty much stayed the same "quality" of writing throughout.

 

[stj]

I quit watching because Jason Mara as Dad wasn't nearly as good as Noah Wyle as Dad, and Wyle used up my years' allotment of sentiment over Spielbergian Dads. The continuing storyline about moles and Sixers and wacko son seemed as tedious as the overwhelming majority of story lines on scifi shows. The selling point was always dinosaurs! and that's not really a show, it's a cool commercial.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Where was the episode about he guy who was having sex with Dinosaurs?

(I've been watching a lot of Criminal Minds recently.)

Jason played a cop.

Looking for the Sixer spy might have been integral to the plot, but when they find out that some one is snaring and raping dinosaurs... Well, I'm sure that's important somehow and they have to stop it?

 

[Jetfire]

Where was the episode about he guy who was having sex with Dinosaurs?

Ross? Wait...wrong show.

I watched the finale last night...had given up on the show weeks ago...I say no to S2. Hopefully Alcatraz will be a hit.

 

[RJDiogenes]

I'm not going to defend the quality of Terra Nova's writing, but I found it entertaining in a B-Movie way, so I watched the whole season; and will likely watch a season 2 if it happens.

I'm sure the producers didn't intend it to be that way; they just didn't think things through.

Even if they didn't think this through while they were writing, shooting, re-writing and re-shooting, how could they not notice it when they edited the pilot?

I know, but I wonder that about a lot of things. Only 10,000 Vulcans left? WTF?

 

[Jetfire]

http://www.ksitetv.com/terra-nova/extinction-terra-nova-has-been-canceled-by-fox/12369

Extinction: Terra Nova Has Been Canceled By FOX

 

[Gojira]

Just read about the cancellation. Bummer. I liked the show. I guess we can't expect a TV movie to resolve the story and bring closure.

I really liked the premise although the execution wasn't perfect.

 

[MichaelDornFan]

Oh well.

 

[bigdaddy]

Everything at Fox flopped and they still canceled it. It seems it was canceled mainly because it was directionless.

Deadline.com has an interesting article on it.

 

[nickyboy]

This show gave science fiction a bad name, another show by Brannon Braga failing to get past season 1. What happens when you force out people like David Fury

 

[Sindatur]

So, is it officially official now, or still just a likely rumor?

Bummer, it was pretty weak in the beginning, with too much Teen Angst, but, by the end of the season, it seemed like they had conquered most of their weaknesses, and the cliffhanger had me interested in what Season 2 might bring

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Well, I was hoping to see how they would resolve the artefact mystery and was perhaps hoping to see some surprised people from the past, but it's not a great loss. Someone will do that story better one day anyway.