Terok Nor? Empok Nor?

[DonIago]

Wasn't it actually 'unknown sample' or 'unknown specimen' or such? And then it got shortened to Odo, which meant 'nothing'?

Been too long since I've seen that episode.

 

[mrs260]

Nope. The Bajoran said Unknown Sample. The Cardassians translated that to odo'ital, which literally means "nothing" in Cardassian.

 

[nx1701g]

LCARS 24 said:
Also, Cuellar Nor. Here's a small glossary of Cardassian words (including empok: third, terok: ninth, nor: station):

Cardassian vocabulary

If you look at the top it is from UCIP - UCIP is a Roleplaying Organization. I would treat anything listed here with a HUGE grain of salt.

 

[Kevin]

J47 said:
Maybe they're numbers? You know, it's not impossible that Starfleet stole and translated their designation to get "Deep Space Nine"...

Doubt it. There is also a Deep space 6 or some other deep space number mentioned in Star Trek First Contact. The other Deep Space Station picks up the borg ship on sensors.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I'm not aware of the native Cardassian language *ever* actually being spoken onscreen...

Even Dominion-ese was only used once. I don't think anyone ever spoke Cardassian.

 

[nx1701g]

^ We heard more Ferengi than we did Cardassian.

 

[Kevin]

I don't recall any cardassian either. They basically always spoke English. Which always confused me. The universal translators translate all languages into english. If this is true, then how come the other race will start talking to each other in their native tongue and it is not heard as english to whom ever has the UT?

 

[J47]

Kevin said:

J47 said:
Maybe they're numbers? You know, it's not impossible that Starfleet stole and translated their designation to get "Deep Space Nine"...

Doubt it. There is also a Deep space 6 or some other deep space number mentioned in Star Trek First Contact. The other Deep Space Station picks up the borg ship on sensors.

It was meant as a joke.

 

[Kevin]

J47 said:

Kevin said:

J47 said:
Maybe they're numbers? You know, it's not impossible that Starfleet stole and translated their designation to get "Deep Space Nine"...

Doubt it. There is also a Deep space 6 or some other deep space number mentioned in Star Trek First Contact. The other Deep Space Station picks up the borg ship on sensors.

It was meant as a joke.

It's always really hard to tell if someone is joking when typing. Either way. It is true what I said.

 

[nx1701g]

^ That's why I always include a when I'm joking.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

The Bok'Nor was a freighter. Perhaps Nor means Mining or Ore?

Nor = general word for space vessel?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Kevin said:
I don't recall any cardassian either. They basically always spoke English. Which always confused me. The universal translators translate all languages into english. If this is true, then how come the other race will start talking to each other in their native tongue and it is not heard as english to whom ever has the UT?

The only time I remember Ferengi being spoken was "Little Green Men," and even then it was because the UTs had broken down.

 

[BrotherBenny]

The stations are "Nor-class" stations, it probably means something special to the Cardassians, maybe after a famous person or famous ship, or even what they call a specific ore.

Beyond the class name of the station, we know nothing.

 

[Gravity]

J47 said:
Maybe they're numbers? You know, it's not impossible that Starfleet stole and translated their designation to get "Deep Space Nine"...

Indeed. In all of Federation space there's only 9 deep space stations? I doubt it. It's more likely that there's 79 deep space stations and #9 just happened to be destroyed before Terok Nor was abandoned. Then Starfleet said, "Hey, let's name it #9. We don't have a #9, so why not?"

...and on another related subject, if DS9 is Bajoran property, why wasn't it given a Bajoran name? I'm surprised those Bajorans didn't try to hang a giant earing from upper pylon to lower pylon.

 

[Tactical Drone]

I would think they would have some meaning relating to power or control or something.

 

[Timo]

In all of Federation space there's only 9 deep space stations? I doubt it.

Perhaps not in the Federation. Perhaps out of the Federation?

"Deep Space Station" could be a term reserved for Starfleet installations located outside Federation territory, which is quite true of DS9 and may be true of the other installations as well. And the natural progression of things would be that the Federation first establishes a DS station, then expands to that area of space and absorbs it, at which point the station ceases to be a Deep Space one and gets a dull Starbase number. Thus, when Bajor joins the Federation, DS9 becomes Starbase 782 and the number 9 is freed for use...

Anyway, I can't imagine the Federation having all that many deals of the Bajoran sort - shared custodianship of an abandoned alien installation in a region that is somewhat hostile towards the Federation. If the Deep Space Station designation is reserved for such special cases, fewer than a dozen (at a time) would indeed sound likely.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[CaptainHawk1]

First and foremost, I PM'd Rick Sternbach on this issue (Empok/Terok translation) on another bbs I frequent as I he's the only person I know in Trek Production. He'll probably get back to me on Saturday.

Second, as far as the "9" designation, it would seem very possible to me that there are only 9 deep space stations. You've got to take into consideration that the further away Starfleet and the Federation get from Federation Space, the harder it would be financially and logistically to build space stations.

I mean it's a long trip to earth at maximum warp in Runabout from DS9 to Earth so how likely is it that there would be that many stations way outside of Federation Space.

-Shawn

 

[nx1701g]

Timo said:
"Deep Space Station" could be a term reserved for Starfleet installations located outside Federation territory, which is quite true of DS9 and may be true of the other installations as well. And the natural progression of things would be that the Federation first establishes a DS station, then expands to that area of space and absorbs it, at which point the station ceases to be a Deep Space one and gets a dull Starbase number. Thus, when Bajor joins the Federation, DS9 becomes Starbase 782 and the number 9 is freed for use...

I remember reading (it was in a novel therefore noncanon) that that was exactly what a Deep Space Station was. It was a Federation way of gaining a foothold over a region. After the area became Federation controlled it lost the Deep Space identification and was usually replaced by another mushroom station. Xendi Starbase 9 was one example. Starbase Earhart was another. Starstation India.

 

[CaptainHawk1]

CaptainHawk1 wrote:
Just curious... by chance do you know what the designations "Terok Nor" and "Empok Nor" translate into or if they ever translated into anything. I know it's a super dork question but I figured that anyone on this board would know, it would be you.

Thanks.

-Shawn


No idea, sorry; they probably mean something terribly important in Cardassian.

Rick

Well, that was pointless.

-Shawn

 

[Timo]

I mean it's a long trip to earth at maximum warp in Runabout from DS9 to Earth

About one week, as per DS9 "Defiant".

so how likely is it that there would be that many stations way outside of Federation Space.

Hmm... Against 700+ Starbases (structures and installations that generally are large and impressive and no doubt very expensive), I would expect at least several dozen Deep Space Stations...

Timo Saloniemi