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Terminator: What happened?

Admiral Jean-Luc Picard

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The original movie (The Terminator) and it's first sequel (Terminator 2: Judgment Day) seem to be universally regarded as great movies. Beginning with T3 onward, reviewe go from mixed to bad. I liked T3 and Salvation. Genisys was great, but I get why it had a mixed reception. I especially liked TSCC despite ending on a cliffhanger. For me, the only problematic entry is Dark Fate. I think it works as a movie when judged on it's own merits. My main issue with the film was with how a certain character was killed off. I didn't mind how it was done, but rather with where it was placed in the movie.

How do you feel about Terminator as a franchise? Are there entries you don't like? Which is your favorite? Which abandoned storyline would you have liked to see continued?
 
Well, really the story was all wrapped up nicely in the first movie. The second one was basically a rehash of the first one but with better effects and much more budget although it's a less intelligent movie and once again wrapped up everything at the end except on a more cliche happy ending note.

T3 onwards have just been milking a story that was really completed and didn't need continuation.
 
The original movie (The Terminator) and it's first sequel (Terminator 2: Judgment Day) seem to be universally regarded as great movies. Beginning with T3 onward, reviewe go from mixed to bad. I liked T3 and Salvation. Genisys was great, but I get why it had a mixed reception. I especially liked TSCC despite ending on a cliffhanger. For me, the only problematic entry is Dark Fate. I think it works as a movie when judged on it's own merits. My main issue with the film was with how a certain character was killed off. I didn't mind how it was done, but rather with where it was placed in the movie.

How do you feel about Terminator as a franchise? Are there entries you don't like? Which is your favorite? Which abandoned storyline would you have liked to see continued?
It's doing fine.

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I played Terminator: Resistance awhile back and I was surprised how good it was considering the state of the franchise. It's a nice side-story that ties into the events of the first two films without seeming too fanboyish. Good action, Terminators are actually scary in the beginning of the game, nice call backs to the first two films, and it makes good use of concepts that went unused in the films (namely different types of Skynet killerbots). When I beat it, I felt it gave me closure to move on from the series and never look back.
 
The only movie I thought sucked was Salvation. And I was really annoyed Genisys tanked, I was very curious what they were gonna do next.

And I'm still not over the Sarah Connor Chronicles being cancelled.

Terminator doesn't need to be a huge budget thing. A gritty chase movie would work fine, where you see a bit of CG Terminator throughout and mostly at the end. You don't need to crash a plane or helicopter or 3 trucks every time.
 
The first two movies were James Cameron films. Everything else was the studio trying to milk the story. Everything Cameron does equals dollars. He continually breaks expectations. We all have varying opinions about his greatness and the quality of his films, but everything he has done since The Abyss (one of my favorite films) has been a huge success- and it started in the early days of a relatively modest film, Terminator.
 
Part of the problem is that movies are considerably different to what they were in the 80's, especially action and comedy movies. Nowadays it's almost like they have to have a big action/comedy sequence every 5-10 minutes.

To be honest I get the feeling a lot of 80's movie franchises would work better as a TV series. The two mediums seem to have done a 180 on their strengths. TSCC is really the only success they franchise has had since T2... And they cancelled it.
 
I think it's a franchise, if it can really be called that honestly, that has suffered from sequelitis. A major problem with the latest slate of movies has been twofold; 1. It keeps wanting to revisit the events of T2 being the successful movie it is, and 2. it wants us to forget some of the movies happened. But in being obsessed with the events of T2, it seems they locked themselves into a corner, unable to really move forward, and you have, especially in the case of the later movies, cases where they try to mimic T2 but fail badly at it. They had many chances with lots of creative potential, but I feel they blew it. There is way too much rehashing in what didn't need fixing.

If there are to be any new movies, I think the thing to do would be to possibly revisit the Future War, only with a completely new set of characters with stories of their own, and don't look back. The moment they look back is where I feel the movies have faltered.
 
The first one is a masterpiece. One of my absolute favourite movies. The second one is an extremely good action adventure movie. Three was almost good but began falling into the humour of the second one too far, to it's detriment.

Salvation was really pretty bad and so was the one after it - Genesys. Two crappy movies outclassed by the TV show.

Haven't seen the last movie yet...
 
I played Terminator: Resistance awhile back and I was surprised how good it was considering the state of the franchise. It's a nice side-story that ties into the events of the first two films without seeming too fanboyish. Good action, Terminators are actually scary in the beginning of the game, nice call backs to the first two films, and it makes good use of concepts that went unused in the films (namely different types of Skynet killerbots). When I beat it, I felt it gave me closure to move on from the series and never look back.
I've never heard of that one, looks pretty cool.
 
A large portion of the problem was the shift away from the focus on Sarah Connor, who always has been the heart and soul of the franchise. I think bringing her back in Terminator 6 was too little too late.
 
Sarah Connor has been present for most of the franchise. She's front and center in 4 of 6 movies and the TV show. Only 2 movies shifted away from Sarah.

I feel the movies may have fared better of they were more closely connected. For the longest time, it was just two movies. I remember how excited I was over the teaser for T3. Personally, I loved the movie. I didn't mind the humor, given that's a trademark of Schwarzenegger movies. Given the ending, it needed to have some light moments. A few years of gossip about a TV series that would take place between T2 and T3. When it materialized as TSCC, it ignored T3 with the intent to diverge and pursue a separate storyline from the sequels. T3 got followed up with Salvation. I like how it shifted away from Sarah or John Connor on the run from a Terminator with a protector from the future. This time, we get a full on war movie. There are parts that could be reworked, but overall, I loved it.

For me, Genisys is where things began to go wrong. Instead of building on the previous movie, we see the original future we flashbacked to in the first two movies. I enjoyed the movie overall, but I would have gone for some realism so our heroes didn't seem impervious to injury. I liked the idea of John Connor as a Terminator, but I feel like the audience deserved more of an explanation of how and why. I would have liked Judgment Day to be 2004 as a nod to T3. TS showed the future war, how John came to power, and how he found Kyle Reese. I would have liked T5 to build on that instead of ignore T3&4. Imagine if the T-800 that raised Sarah was Uncle Bob from T2, and Asian T-1000 was Robert Patrick from T2. Instead of being sent back to the 90s, they got sent back to 1973. In my mind, Uncle Bob and Pops are the same Terminator. I like to imagine that Matt Smith Skynet was from the Salvation timeline, after the war ended, but Skynet secretly escaped embodied as a T-5000.

Imagine if Dark Fate built on T5? During the end credits, we learn Skynet survived. Imagine that, Skynet further into the future, found a way to both time travel and hop backward to previous timelines. What if this embodiment of Skynet was the one to send multiple T-800's back? What if this Skynet created Legion instead of man?

Forgive me if that was disorganized. I just hate the fractured storyline and feel like the last 2 movies would have been better if they built on all previous films and not just the first two.
 
Liked them all, except Dark Fate, that one was crap, even renaming Skynet, that movie was just a rehash of 1. I liked Genesis better, except for Jai Courtney, he .. well he sucks. Better as a tall, lanky, stringy guy than a big muscled guy. I mean, it is a future of no food, etc.
I liked how it went to different timelines, how time travel can change the past.
 
Sarah was only "front and center" in THREE of six movies. The first two (the ones that worked), and the "too-little-too-late" sixth.
 
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