Terminator VI

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Relayer1, Sep 22, 2017.

  1. STEPhon IT

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    Im thinking of Predator and how larger than life that movie was. Reason being, Arnold Schwartzenegger was LARGER THAN LIFE back when. Lucas, & Spielberg, and later James Cameron created an expectation for their audiences; every new movie had to top the other, and the results were golden. So when Arnold Schwartzenegger, who never done sequels back then, decided he was doing one along with Iron Jim, the expectations was grand I've researched. With these two heavyweights at the heights of their careers--and I have to add The Abyss was kinda sorta a disappointment and that's because of the success of Batman, Lethal Weapon 2, and The Last Crusade released around the same time that year, James Cameron was determine not to make another stinker ALLEGEDLY again.

    The result: the movie was a phenomenon and it immortalized Arnold and Cameron -- Please bring out a True Lies 4k Blu Ray, but when Rise of the Machines was on the horizon, Arnold was old and his star power was fading fast, and I think the movie reflected that in a bad way. As the films creeped on, even that TV series, it lacked the behemoth called Schwartzenegger of the 80's, and without the power, strength and force of what he represented back when, what did they have??? I'm a lady and I don't find female Terminators remotely interesting or thrilling; it's like asking me to have the same intrigue and intensity of a ferocious, male lion for a wolverine--the teddy bear beast not the Marvel Comics character.

    I hate to contrast these monster movies to the WWE but that's what they are to me and why T2 was so great. The protagonist and antagonist have to be larger than life --hand and hand, I'm sad I was born in the generation where actors eligible for AARP are somehow supposed to be larger than life figures. It destroys my suspension of disbelief. Can this new edition of The Terminator at least meet some aspects of what I loved? I guess I'll wait for my friends to go pay top dollar -- just to see how bad it was.
     
  2. Marsden

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    Damaged during transport, it only has enough power left to construct a steam engine that fits in it's torso and accidentally triggers the industrial revolution.
     
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  3. LJones41

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    I don't agree with you. His performance in "Rise of the Machines" is my favorite.

    I'm going to be frank. I don't regard "Judgment Day" as the best Terminator film in the franchise. It's certainly not my favorite. Nor do I need a reboot of the franchise to wipe out the next three films that followed. But Cameron is going ahead with this anyway, and I'll just live with it, whether I like it or not.
     
  4. Guy Gardener

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  5. JD

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    I can't really see them doing that without making a huge deal of it.
     
  6. Guy Gardener

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    Then it's conflicting with the new movie, undermining it, which also seems unlikely.
     
  7. JD

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    How so? According to the description on Comixology it's following a new character at the same time as the first movie, how does that undermine the new movie?
     
  8. Jedi Marso

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    Pre-destination paradox.
     
  9. Scout101

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    Sure, but to make that work, there always had to have been a 'no time travel' timeline that existed first, yes? Go back in time and kill your grandfather all you like, but at least the first time through, he lived.

    Like I said, part of the fun I enjoy with this series is that even in the first movie, things are already jacked up, and we're not seeing the first/original timeline. Can't have been a John the first time, or he was a different age/gender/preparation level, whatever. They go back to kill his mom, he sends someone back to protect, and then Kyle fathers a NEW John (the one we know), and we get into the first loop we're aware of. Skynet made it worse by giving him knowledge of the future, time to prep, etc. And then the whole thing devolves into a shitstorm..... :lol:

    Worst part is the overall strategy that no one can seem to get right when using time travel as a weapon. If you go back to 1984 and fail, don't go back to 1997 (or whatever it was?) the next time, or 2013 the time after that. Your enemies now know about you, are better prepared, etc. The obvious strategy when the 1984 attack fails is to try 1983. Or 1980, or whatever. As long as you keep trying earlier attacks, it's always a surprise, and they can never prepare for you; always seems like the first time to them! That doesn't work, go kill John's Grandmother instead. Risk of erasing your own existence as well if you go back too far and change too much, but whole thing went out the window; everyone's reality is all jacked up, effect before cause, no idea who's fighting whom or why, what started it, etc.
     
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  10. Ovation

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    Time travel stories NEVER stand up to scrutiny. Best way to enjoy them is to take them as is...paradoxes, warts and all. (Obviously some are more enjoyable than others--but none will survive close examination).
     
  11. Guy Gardener

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    Some people speak with authority about the Terminator (or 10 thousand times more vehemently: "Star Wars") franchise because they have read the expanded universe.... They walk into a new movie with preconceptions because they think they know the rules and they think they know all the players and where they are, because they (hypothetically) spent a month reading a 700 page novel on the train to work every morning, that the director and screenwriter of the new flick have no clue about.

    Which is when EU canon and Movie canon clash and grate, and some of us start smoking out of our ears like a bad-robot from a 1960s b-movie asked to explain "love".
     
  12. M'rk son of Mogh

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    For my money, the movie Primer comes closest, if not succeeds.
     
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  13. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Trying to decipher that movie makes smoke come out of MY ears.
     
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  14. M'rk son of Mogh

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    Oh, the charts and stuff online are the only things that stopped the smoke from my ears. I'm not THAT smart.
     
  15. Ovation

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    I'll look into it. Would certainly be a first in my experience (I used to spend time trying to resolve apparent paradoxes and get into, sometimes heated, debates with friends over this or that time travel story--when I long ago decided to just take them as they are, it was a great day for my blood pressure. ;) ).

    Is it worth 40$CDN? Cheapest I can seem to find with a quick search.
     
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  16. JD

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    That's it, thank you.
    One that I thought did a great job with this kind of stuff that I don't hear much about is Timecrimes.
     
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  17. USS Firefly

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    Maybe little bit off topic but are there any good Terminator novels?
     
  18. Tosk

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    You might disagree with them, but they're still a fundamental part of the story. Kyle falls in love with Sarah based entirely on her legend and a polaroid photo of her. ...A polaroid photo which was taken at the exact moment that she was thinking about how much she loved Kyle.

    I really like the SM Stirling trilogy.
     
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  19. USS Firefly

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    I dont know those books, maybe I try those books when I have time.
     
  20. Gaith

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    I also enjoyed the first two novels of Stirling's trilogy, but never got around to reading the third.