Terminator VI

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  1. Guy Gardener

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    Dark Fate?

    The opening credits is the death of "young" John Connor, and the movie moves on from there.
     
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  2. saddestmoon

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    Hoping we get some new hunter-killer designs in the vein of Stan Winston!

    Am also hoping for less liquid metal machinery and more solid, fixed geometry killing machines, so to speak.
     
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  3. Guy Gardener

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    Terminators are stupid for the purpose of genocide.

    A virus, radiation or chemical weapons are wonderful.
     
  4. King Daniel Beyond

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    How generic.
     
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  5. Guy Gardener

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    It's possible that Skynet doesn't use those effective and certain methods to wipe us out because it has nothing against all the other animals, insects and plants on Earth.

    It's taking great steps, if you discount judgement day, to be very green.
     
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  6. David cgc

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    You're reminding me of the bit where Skynet had a weird zoo with tigers in The Sarah Connor Chronicles. Were they trying to make terminators undetectable to dogs? Make tiger-terminators? Did we actually find out and I've forgotten because the show was on a while ago and I never got the DVDs? Am I imagining this whole thing?
     
  7. Guy Gardener

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    They were tiggers not tigers.
     
  8. JD

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    Yeah, it's a bit lit to be playing the cannot confirm or deny game. Her and Arnold's return has been one of the big selling points of the movie for months now.
     
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    I think you meant to say late and not lit but he might just be lit if he doesn't even know that everyone already knows Hamilton is in the movie!:rofl:

    Jason
     
  10. WarpFactorZ

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    Skynet clearly knew that the best form of self-defense is to release the tiger, in the event the ugly mob of humans staged an attack with red currants.
     
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  11. Reverend

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    A couple things to unpack here: -

    1) Radiation/Nuclear weapons were the weapon of first recourse and did a pretty good job of wiping out most of the northern hemisphere's human population. Once all the major population centres have been vaporised, nukes become less effective and probably a lot harder to come by.

    2) The processing camps were basically the mop-up operation after most of the genocide had already been done.

    3) Terminators didn't show up until *after* Conner staged a mass breakout of said camps. They weren't meant for genocide, but to infiltrate small pockets of resistance and disrupt the resistance's ability to organise and co-ordinate. Either by brute force as we saw in Kyle's flashback, or in targeted termination of key individuals who were too difficult to locate or target at range.

    4) As for why Skynet didn't deploy bio-weapons: maybe it did but the remaining population was so scattered and diminished and the biosphere so devastated that contagions could never spread very far.
    Maybe Skynet, being a machine decided to be systematic and in a similar fashion as the T1 Terminator, went through the phone book and took them all out one by one. But instead of a phone book, it's rounding the survivors into camps, counting, cataloguing, bar-coding and chucking them in the disposal units until every last human is accounted for.
     
  12. USS Firefly

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    I would love to see a good movie or novel about the war set in the future
     
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  13. Guy Gardener

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    We think of the infiltration models mostly, but in the movie with batman and Checov, we saw that Skynet thought that 10 story mechs with feet was a great idea.

    The HKs, were just drones of different sizes. Some flew, some had tank tracks, and we gotta assume that a few were aquatic for some reason, if only to fight submarines more so than scuba divers?

    Everyone was infertile (except Kyle?) and starving.

    Skynet just had to wait another 30 years, and every one would have been dead. Even though they won, man is probably still going to die out if no one can make more babies anymore.
     
  14. Reverend

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    Waiting wouldn't have worked since humans managed to win the war within a generation. That's a detail I feel a lot of people seem to forget; the time travel thing way an 11th hour Hail Mary and may have been the very last thing Skynet did before the defence grid went down. Kyle lived to see the war's end and then chose to go back in time and make sure it stayed ended.

    As for what happened in TS or elsewhere: personally I don't really credit anything post T2 since that's where Cameron's influence on the narrative basically stops.

    That said, Cameron did do some concept work on other HK designs before the future war scenes were drastically cut back. A small "centaur" HK on four legs and a flat, millipede looking thing that crawls into entrenched positions and explodes are mostly what come to mind. Anyway, there's no such thing as a non-infiltration Terminator. That's what they are for, after all. IIRC the skinless endos we saw in T2 were because that was the last battle at the time displacement complex and Skynet was basically throwing just about everything it had that could move and kill things out the door just to slow the resistance down.
     
  15. Guy Gardener

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    Sktynet's army was bread crumbs to track back to Skynet.

    If man did not know where Skynet's servers were, there would have been nothing to donkey punch.

    Because Skynet is a machine, you can say that time doesn't matter, but if a machine intelligence can go insane from living out millions of relative years in minutes or hours living in flashtime... Skynet may have to think and exist at a human rate of speed to preserve it's sanity and time does matter.
     
  16. Reverend

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    IIRC, Cameron's original T2 script had Skynet in Colorado when they destroyed it, which one presumes means it was always installed in NORAD. It makes sense I suppose. It's already one of the most entrenched positions on the planet, it's just a matter of reinforcing it.
    Secrecy was hardly a concern when rounding up the broken and starving survivors of Judgement Day and by the time the humans turned it around and became a direct threat, it was too late.

    Personally I kind of preferred T3's notion of Skynet as a dispersed intelligence. But then I suppose a nuclear war plays all kind of hell with that kind in infrastructure, forcing Skynet to sit in one particular supercomputer until the eradication was complete. Arguably the safer option would have been to launch itself into space and live up in a satellite network, but the cut future war sequence also showed that all the Terminators and HK's all froze in place once Skynet was destroyed. Between that and the T-800's chips being set to "read only" when sent out alone, it's clear Skynet did not want any of it's machines getting ideas of their own, so any interruption. So with a dispersed network all they need do is to destroy all of the ground uplink stations; Skynet would be effectively trapped, disembodied and powerless.
    Maybe that's exactly what preceded that last battle and the Cheyenne Mountain fortress was it's final fallback position on the ground.
     
  17. Tosk

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    IIRC, that's in keeping with Kyle's dialogue about it in the first movie.
     
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  18. Guy Gardener

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    The Terminators sent into the past were independent and untethered.

    That makes them special.

    Unless they were Skynet.

    Or a Skynet governor was giving it's time travelers rope, before it stepped in and took over.
     
  19. Reverend

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    Not exactly. I interpret the "Skynet sets the switch to "read only" when we're sent out alone" line as applying to normal infiltration and termination operations. As the aforementioned scripted scene depicts, the machines all shut down when Skynet was taken out. That implies a built-in dead-man switch, probably via radio signal. Infiltrators would by necessity be sent places where such a signal might not reach or could be interfered with, making it a liability (I mean it's a bit of a giveaway if a "person" suddenly freezes in place, no?)
    So when they're sent out to such places their chips are set in such a way that they are incapable of getting ideas of their own outside of Skynet's signal.

    It does beg the question as to why there's a switch at all, the most obvious answer being: when they're connected directly to Skynet they're not autonomous drones, but mobile processing nodes for the greater defence grid; a literal part of Skynet itself. So the chip can safely "write" without concerns about differing opinions and independent thoughts.

    Anyway, the ones sent into the past are just following normal infiltration protocols. No command signal. Chip set to "read only".
     
  20. Guy Gardener

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    Early on, maybe Skynet tried to have kids, and it went to hell?