Does the audiance really need to see a topless scene in this movie anyway?What would be the point?
Usually there are two points.
Terminator: Salvation ''PG-13''?
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Usually there are two points.
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Brutal is okay by American standards. Or, I should say, the standards of whatever people make up the ratings system. But showing boobies or using a few naughty words are cardinal sins the likes of which you will never do worse.
So, cutting off someone's head is fine. Cutting off someone's head and having a pillar of blood shoot out, a little less fine. But saying "fuck yeah" after winning the lottery or wearing a partially see-through top will get you chastised from here to Nantucket. And if you do both at the same time, oh man, heads will roll. But filming those heads rolling would be fine.
I would prefer that this movie was a hard R, since as mentioned before a post-apocalyptic movie isn't really for the kids...
Titanic had bare-breast nudity, and it was PG:13, and I'm pretty certain it is not the only one. I can think of several PG movies with nudity, but I'll admit they date back to before the introduction of the PG:13 rating.
Anyway, I could not find Terminator Salvation on the MPAA Website; are we certain it is rated yet? Strangely, I didn't find the original Terminator either, but I did see something called Terminator Woman from 1993.
Anyway, I could not find Terminator Salvation on the MPAA Website; are we certain it is rated yet? Strangely, I didn't find the original Terminator either, but I did see something called Terminator Woman from 1993.
That's a common misconception. The Puritans actually liked sex, and actually invented child support due to the large number of out-of-wedlock births that they had. And witch trials were pretty much an excuse to publicly strip women naked and examine them. There was also the rather common practice known as "bundling", in which a teenage boy would visit the home of a girl he was courting and the two would spend the night in bed together, talking, completely chastely, with nothing happening below the waist. Hence, their huge out of wedlock birth rate.
A lot of factors go into rating a film, and the MPAA has its own arcane standards that it uses. Titanic didn't have a lot of other stuff that was considered unsuitable for kids, so a nude scene -- particularly one in a classy, artistic context -- probably wasn't deemed sufficient to push it over the top. But TS is a violent post-apocalyptic action thriller, so it probably has a lot of stuff the MPAA would consider not kid-appropriate. The topless scene may have been the last straw.
If that's so, and if the scene is cut for a PG-13 rating (which, as you say, is not proven yet), then that would mean the filmmakers chose to sacrifice it rather than losing some of the violence. I can't say I agree with that set of priorities.
What I don't understand, though, is that most parents today were kids or teens in the 80s, and 90s - we grew up watching R Rated films like Terminator - so how is it that the R rating has any meaning to parents these days. If we were perfectly fine watching the original Terminator as kids, why would an R rating prevent us from taking our own kids to see Terminator: Salvation?
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^Because we see how badly we turned out and don't want to inflict the same on our kids? 
3D Master
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But... Terminator Salvation is playing during the war with the machines; it plays DURING the nightmare!
Uh what? Did we watch a different movie? How about punching trough a guys chest to grab the wheel of a car? That's pretty graphic stuff!
And that would be a shame to cut. I mean come on, you can always use more boobs.
So basically there will be no nudity or swearing in the film but still tons of violence. I can live with that.
That's one of the weirdest instances of playing the MPAA rules for all their worth. There's bare breast nudity but only one breast is ever seen and it's always the same one. The other one is always either out of frame or obscured by something. It gets to stay a PG-13 because it forces us to infer that Kate Winslet possesses a matching set.
The priorities of the filmmakers or the ratings board? I'd say the filmmakers have exactly the right priorities. The violence is integral to the story here. Nudity probably isn't (unlike in The Terminator, when the love scene between Kyle Reese & Sarah Connor was an integral plot point).
And yet I still doubt that McG will be able to make it as intense or as frightening as James Cameron was able to do with The Terminator.
OK, I'll grant that that one shot of the T-X punching through the guy's chest was pretty graphic. But other than that, I didn't see any violence in Terminator 3 that required an R.
"Screw you, asshole."
Actually, that doesn't sound too bad but the original is kind of gospel by now."
Maybe theaters enforce it more now, I've been seeing R-Rated movies without parents since I was 13 and only got denied entrance once. Of course, we promptly found someone in the parking lot to buy us tickets.
It's funny with the discussion of nudity because 70's PG movies had a ton of it.
Actually, that doesn't sound too bad but the original is kind of gospel by now."
Maybe theaters enforce it more now, I've been seeing R-Rated movies without parents since I was 13 and only got denied entrance once. Of course, we promptly found someone in the parking lot to buy us tickets.
It's funny with the discussion of nudity because 70's PG movies had a ton of it.
They did?
I don't remember PG movies with nudity back then.
They did?
Airplane/Airplane II
Logan's Run
Beastmaster
Invasion of the Body Snatchers
Andromeda Strain (rated G)
Billy Jack
Outlaw Josey Wales
Looker
Clash of the Titans
Sheena
Ragtime
Splash
THX 1138
Omega Man
Red Sun
Sixteen Candles
Some 80's thrown in there as well, there's a lot more though, a lot of 70's movies that come on cable have very casual nudity I'm just not remembering them all.
Of those movies, I remember a gratuitous shot of some breasts in Airplane(I have the movie) and I don't remember any in Clash of the Titans (unless your counting a backside shot). Fleeting breast shots aren't considered nudity, but I understand your logic.They did?
Airplane/Airplane II
Logan's Run
Beastmaster
Invasion of the Body Snatchers
Andromeda Strain (rated G)
Billy Jack
Outlaw Josey Wales
Looker
Clash of the Titans
Sheena
Ragtime
Splash
THX 1138
Omega Man
Red Sun
Sixteen Candles
Some 80's thrown in there as well, there's a lot more though, a lot of 70's movies that come on cable have very casual nudity I'm just not remembering them all.
^^ That seems to be the issue with Salvation's PG-13 rating though.
Well. I want it to be a HARD "R" due to excessive violence and rampant F-Bombs, EMM-EFFERS, and loads of other combinations
I think that there need to be more naked fight scenes in action movies in general. I mean, anyone can fight, but it takes someone special to fight while naked. That demands respect.
They could have a scene with John Connor is bathing alone at the Tech Com base when suddenly terminators attack. He doesn't have time to get dressed, so he just grabs a plasma rifle and leads his men like that, dripping wet and totally naked. That would be badass. It wouldn't be at all gratuitous.
They could have a scene with John Connor is bathing alone at the Tech Com base when suddenly terminators attack. He doesn't have time to get dressed, so he just grabs a plasma rifle and leads his men like that, dripping wet and totally naked. That would be badass. It wouldn't be at all gratuitous.
