Terminator Genisys - Discussion and Grading Thread (Spoilers)

[Guy Gardener]

It's a trilogy.

They can't do it like drunk donkeys in the first movie.

That leaves enough time for the "relationship" to fall apart, and they'd both be remarried to another set of buggers by the end of the third movie.

 

[Trekkin]

There was a moment where I thought they were actually going to surprise us and have Sarah put a bullet through Kyles temple for trying to kill Pops. Be this movies 'blowing up Vulcan', and show the lack of chemistry was on purpose.


But nope.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The American theatre going public put a bullet through Kyle's temple.

 

[Trekkin]

Not well received I'm guessing?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Foreign sails are making up for the domestic shortfall.

It might even out.

It might not.

Transformer 4 made a billion dollars in China alone.

Funny things can happen.

 

[Tosk]

Maybe the TX killing off some of Connors lieutenants in T3 changed the timeline.

Nothing from T3 or T4 can count. They are set in a demonstrably different timeline than the start of Genisys.

Wasn't Arnie a TX at the end? And with all the time travel shenanigans, I don't know what counts anymore. Wiped from existence by the plot maybe, but I didn't see it as being flat out contradicted like Salvation was.

T3 takes place in the 2000s after a postponed Judgment Day. Genisys is set in a timeline where J-Day was August 29th, 1997.

 

[Trekkin]

I believe you. I was just wondering if they're still 'canon' (in that they're another time line like SCC, but still 'happened' in the Terminator universe) or whether the approach is now 'just forget they were ever made.' It's not necessary to know, I'm just curious.

Apparently some of the loose ends were never planned to have any answers. There were some plans for setting up future films, but other plot elements (like the stinger) were last minute additions and are somebody else's problem. http://comicbook.com/2015/07/03/terminator-genisys-after-the-credits-scene-explained/
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Term...s-Scene-What-Happens-What-It-Means-72377.html

 

[Saul]

So is Genisys showing us a timeline that would have been without leaving any arm or brain chip behind?

 

[F. King Daniel]

I believe you. I was just wondering if they're still 'canon' (in that they're another time line like SCC, but still 'happened' in the Terminator universe) or whether the approach is now 'just forget they were ever made.' It's not necessary to know, I'm just curious.

Throughout the movie I was reminded of the episode of TSCC, where Jessie was convinced that Derek had repressed the memories of his torture at the hands of Skynet, but realised later that he probanly wasn't her Derek, and that in his timeline, he was never tortured.

Really, they can do whatever they want. I suspect the whole "Judgement Day is inevitable" thing is from Terminator 3, as is the concept that the timeline is mutable. And although the faces and backstory were different, the opening scenes could have come straight from Terminator Salvation.

 

[TremblingBluStar]

Anyone think Reese is a Terminator? Alex aka the T-5000 doesn't stop him from going back in time. He gets hit by a car and doesn't get hurt. For some reason he still has Sarah's photo before he time travels.

I called BS on that too. Though if he is a Terminator, Sara Conner is one too, because they were both hit and shrugged it off.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

So is Genisys showing us a timeline that would have been without leaving any arm or brain chip behind?

Yes.

"It was smashed it didn't work, but it gave us new ideas, took us in new directions, things we would've NEVER.... all my work was based on it." - Miles Bennett Dyson

 

[Saul]

Anyone think Reese is a Terminator? Alex aka the T-5000 doesn't stop him from going back in time. He gets hit by a car and doesn't get hurt. For some reason he still has Sarah's photo before he time travels.

I called BS on that too. Though if he is a Terminator, Sara Conner is one too, because they were both hit and shrugged it off.

Well he protected her from the impact with his body.

 

[Tosk]

Wait, are you actually serious with that theory? I thought you were joking.

 

[BeatleJWOL]

The fact that Connor was revealed as a bad guy/hybrid in the trailer was the dumbest decision associated with the film though. Someone should have been fired for that.

I go back and forth on that. On one hand, it would have been nice to be surprised by that going in. But, I must admit that I wasn't nearly as interested in seeing the movie before I saw that trailer. It was the revelation that Connor was the bad guy this time that really made my ears perk up.

THE SYSTEM WORKS

So you're the problem, is what I'm hearing.

 

[shapeshifter]

Maybe this will help.

‘Terminator: Genisys’ Alternate Timelines Explained

Keep going on to the next page when you reach the bottom.

An adequate explanation but it really doesn't make it a better film. Homework after the fact should not be required. I suppose I would have a better time at a second viewing with those thoughts in mind but I ain't seeing it at the theater again.

 

[Trekkin]

Bahleeted.

 

[Trekkin]

It's not really a question confined to this movie, but how do Terminators like the T1000 and Connor timetravel when they don't really have any living tissue grafted to them? Best I can tell is that it's some sort of metal imitating the look and feel of flesh.

Are we meant assume the time travel machine is like the common microwave, and will allow some forms of metal in certain conditions?


Actually, fuck that. We saw Connor get ripped apart in the end! You could say it's Pops fault I suppose, but it certainly came across as the machine was reacting to him. And if he simply can't handle the magnetic field, how'd he bloody get there in the first place?

 

[Tosk]

It's not really a question confined to this movie, but how do Terminators like the T1000 and Connor timetravel when they don't really have any living tissue grafted to them? Best I can tell is that it's some sort of metal imitating the look and feel of flesh.

Are we meant assume the time travel machine is like the common microwave, and will allow some forms of metal in certain conditions?


Actually, fuck that. We saw Connor get ripped apart in the end! You could say it's Pops fault I suppose, but it certainly came across as the machine was reacting to him. And if he simply can't handle the magnetic field, how'd he bloody get there in the first place?

John-3000 is destroyed at the end because Pops disrupted his ability to imitate flesh. A Terminator that uses mimetic poly-alloy can travel through time. We've seen that confirmed on screen.

As for why? Who knows, but it works. We've never gotten a proper explanation for how the TDE works other than nothing dead will go due to the field generated by a living organism. (And that's from someone who "didn't build the fucking thing." )

The travelers don't lose their hair or nails, so the exact rules are up for grabs.

 

[Saul]

Wait, are you actually serious with that theory? I thought you were joking.

In the movie world it makes sense. Even Austin powers makes fun of it in 'The Spy Who Shagged Me' when he falls out of a window and lands on the body of someone else to save his own life.

 

[Trekkin]

Now that someone's brought up Austin, I've decided to take Michael York's advice about time travel mechanics.

Austin: Wait a tick. Basil, if I travel back to 1969 and I was frozen in 1967, presumeably, I could go back and visit my frozen self. But, if I'm still frozen in 1967, how could I have been unthawed in the '90s and traveled back to...
[goes cross-eyed]
Austin: Oh, no, I've gone cross-eyed.
Basil: I suggest you don't worry about those things and just enjoy yourself.
[to camera]
Basil: That goes for you all, too.
Austin: Yes.