T2 had its share of continuity errors as well, though. Such minutiae is pretty tiny compared to some of the much larger flaws.
I think the movie is alright, and I wouldn't have minded it being mostly wiped from canon.
Terminator 3 - Just terrible...
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T2 had its share of continuity errors as well, though. Such minutiae is pretty tiny compared to some of the much larger flaws.
I think the movie is alright, and I wouldn't have minded it being mostly wiped from canon.
That was one of the few things in T3 that I thought was a good call.
Yeah, I mostly agree. The movie plays out almost like a pardoy of a Terminator movie with all of the moments you mention and the way it treats Silberman, the glasses, etc. It's too.... "light" of a movie given the subject matter.
When I first saw it I was mostly neutral towards it and then the ending came which mostly redeemed it as it was just a killer, unexpected, ending.
But everything that came before it just played out like a parody of a Terminator movie.
Sorry, I'm getting in this discussion late. I thought that T-3 was ''okay'' it didn't blow me away like T-2 did, and it wasn't anywhere near as smart, but I did like the ending and in the long run it ''could'' have been much worse! McG could have directed it!
And how dumb was John? Asking this Terminator if it remembers the "hasta la vista, baby" stuff, etc. Umm.. John? Been OD'ing on those animal shelter pain killers? You DO remember lowering that terminator into the pit of molten metal, right?
I realize that line was likely in there to help the Drooling Masses realize that this terminator wasn't the one from T2, but sheesh. I don't even think THEY would be that stupid.
I realize that line was likely in there to help the Drooling Masses realize that this terminator wasn't the one from T2, but sheesh. I don't even think THEY would be that stupid.
^Trust me, there getting that stupid.
A nice enjoyable film. I thought it was a good addition to the others 2. The ending was great... and the things I really liked about T3 is Linda Hamilton and Edward Furlong gone. I watch T2 for actions sequences only. Furlong can't act and Hamilton, well... I never can't stand her, even with her nice muscles.
Schwarzenegger back for T3 was worth the price for the theatre. That guy IS the Terminator !!!
Butch
Schwarzenegger back for T3 was worth the price for the theatre. That guy IS the Terminator !!!
Butch
I remember us having our disagreements about the film back when it first came out. I saw it twice theatrically. Flash forward six years.... This week, I rewatched both of the first two films, but couldn't force myself to watch this one. I agree with your assessment. The ending is good, but there's really not much else to this movie.
Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines needlessly brings back the T-800 Series Model 101 (now being referred to as a T-850... oooh, he's new and improved!), gives him a deus ex machina (the nukes hidden beneath his chest plate being used as a "power source"), and has him facing an enemy that is never menacing for a single moment. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Robert Patrick both were intimidating on-screen presences. The T-X, well, I didn't feel like running from her so much as.... well, you get the idea. There was also just too much forced humor. That was my only real complaint about Terminator 2: Judgment Day.... the cute factor brought on by the T-800's Data-like exploration of humanity. I also subscribe to the belief that, when some or all of the principle figures in a franchise bail (In this case: actress Linda Hamilton, director James Cameron and composer Brad Fiedel), maybe it's time to pull the plug. Terminator Salvation at least has the excuse of being set after SkyNet has taken control. I'll see it at some point, but it'll definitely be a different experience.
Yeah that's the other reason I could never hate T3-- it's one last opportunity to see Schwarzeneggar play a badass Terminator. I never get tired of seeing that guy throw people into walls or across a room.
The Terminator's behaviour in T2 was explained and incorporated into not only the plot of the film, but it's overriding themes. The humour, while maybe cheesy, played out of the themes and character arc and therefore worked.
In this one, he was just inexplicably set to "Dumb-Ass". All the humour served little to no bearing on the film...as a matter of fact, it all seemed like a parody of the last one.
On another note, now that it's been brought up, because I always forget...the T-X licking the blood!?! Ugh...so retarded. This film is filled with retarded.
Indeed. The "RELAX!" bit, the "Talk to the hand." It's like he was Data in "Insurrection" or Season 1 TNG or something.
Sure the "why do you cry?" moment in T2 was kind of corny but it worked with the overall arc John and the Terminator were going through the big one being a machine learning humanity when his sole puprose for exsisting was to destroy humanity.
In T3 it was just done for humor and not for any "humanity arc."
Well, I thought the T-X's abilities were well showcased in this, I mean she had like a 9800Baud modem built into her! And her licking the blood was for the DNA analysis. Sure, they could've put the sensors in her fingers or something... but it at least her licking blood had *some* point to it even if it was simply done for the handful or so of creeps out there that get off on a hot woman licking blood.
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The T-X licking the blood I don't mind. What I do mind is the T-X being too retarded to do pattern matching. It needed to DNA sampling when it wasn't sure AN OLD FAT WOMAN wasn't YOUNG 20-SOMETHING CLAIRE DANES!
John Connor's asking about what he taught the previous Terminator and ridiculous "built on an assembly line or something" (It's a fucking machine! Where else did you thing the damn things were built!?) are doubly retarded in light of his first very intelligent question to the Terminator: "Are you here to kill me?"
Seriously, the fact that he figured it was possible Arnie was a Terminator and that this one was sent by Skynet to kill him and not by his future self to protect him, show pretty conclusively John grasps the "rocket-science concept" of machines being constructed and looking the same! So what the F is with the later bullshit!?
Anyway; drop all the cheese, and ridiculous thing mentioned above and it's a rather decent movie. And I liked the T-X.
no no no with time travel involved it could somehow have been the same Terminator, I mena not really, but if you had this shit happening to you you might think it was possible
True, but the whole scene is just an excuse for her to react that way.
What is odd about the film is that despite being machines I would think that the laws of physics would still apply. If a robot is significantly smaller than another robot (like the T-X versus Arnie) then how is it possible that she would be stronger than that robot? I mean Kristanna Loken is not only hot, but though she's petite in frame she's definitely strong .. certainly stronger than me and I'm a guy who has almost 10 years on her. but wouldn't the size of the robot affect their strength? Comapred to arnold, she's pint sized.
What is odd about the film is that despite being machines I would think that the laws of physics would still apply. If a robot is significantly smaller than another robot (like the T-X versus Arnie) then how is it possible that she would be stronger than that robot? I mean Kristanna Loken is not only hot, but though she's petite in frame she's definitely strong .. certainly stronger than me and I'm a guy who has almost 10 years on her. but wouldn't the size of the robot affect their strength? Comapred to arnold, she's pint sized.
Although the movie has it's flaws, I do like the idea of the T-X. People have always asked "Why didn't they send guns back covered in flesh", so there you go 
Her "stregnth" isn't built on the size of her muscles but on the strength of her hydraulics and frame. There's no reason why a machine would have to be as "big" as the Ahnold Droid was. He was only that big to *look* intimidating. But their physical size wasn't an indicator of strength.
