Terminator-222 "Born to Run" - Season Finale <SPO>

[Sxottlan]

If the second season had been more like the finale, sure it probably would have been more expensive, but it would have also been better.

If indeed Fox mandated the girlfriend subplot, then I think they put the gun in their own mouth here. I thought it was by far the worst part of the season and dragged on too long with little return. In general, I don't know why they kept Weaver and the Connors apart until the last five minutes of the season. I can't remember ever seeing a show keep a character's motivations that much of a secret for a complete season until the very last sequence and for so little reason.

Now with that finale, I'd like the show to stick around. But I wouldn't be surprised if it got canceled. If it did, that final scene works as a nice finale in general. Bittersweet, but lots of possibility for John there.

 

[3D Master]

If the second season had been more like the finale, sure it probably would have been more expensive, but it would have also been better.

If indeed Fox mandated the girlfriend subplot, then I think they put the gun in their own mouth here. I thought it was by far the worst part of the season and dragged on too long with little return.

Well, the girlfriend itself wasn't mandated by Fox, what WAS mandated by Fox was that she arrived much sooner than originally intended. So instead of a very powerful, quite self-contained, without any extraneous b*llsh*t, with John like he was in the latter episodes - strong and capable; we got this long drawn out torturous affair where John came off as whiny, and it just dragged, and dragged, and dragged, and dragged.

 

[nx1701g]

One thing I didn't get was why the HK crashed into Weaver's office. Didn't it have weapons?

We don't know for sure if it was armed or simply a prototype. We didn't see it use its weapons in the show. However, one reason for it to crash, was it was attempting to make the building collapse so that John Henry would be destroyed. A crash into a building could be easily explained away by the media, a missile launch couldn't.

 

[nx1701g]

If the second season had been more like the finale, sure it probably would have been more expensive, but it would have also been better.

If indeed Fox mandated the girlfriend subplot, then I think they put the gun in their own mouth here. I thought it was by far the worst part of the season and dragged on too long with little return.

Well, the girlfriend itself wasn't mandated by Fox, what WAS mandated by Fox was that she arrived much sooner than originally intended. So instead of a very powerful, quite self-contained, without any extraneous b*llsh*t, with John like he was in the latter episodes - strong and capable; we got this long drawn out torturous affair where John came off as whiny, and it just dragged, and dragged, and dragged, and dragged.

That is partially true. Friedman said when he was called into the Fox offices that they wanted her introduced. He said that they could do it around the 9th episode. Fox said the second was better. They didn't have any real choice so they agreed with Fox's demands.

 

[NX74205]

Deleted Post....http://tv.ign.com/articles/972/972713p1.html

 

[nx1701g]

^ Now you've made me curious...

 

[Forbin]

Right click, save, right click, save, right click, ejaculate, right click, save.....

 

[DontFeedPhil]

NX1701g...Are you gonna keep your avatar up-to-date on the fate of the series? So if I come in here and your avatar says "Terminated" its canceled and if it says "Come with me if you want to live." the show is renewed?

 

[NX74205]

^ Now you've made me curious...

heh...it was just a link to the already mentioned post about the possible cancellation of the show. It didn't add to the convo so I deleted it....

 

[TheArsenal]

I'll play. One of two signed photos from a convention last year (RL name photoshopped out).

 

[nx1701g]

NX1701g...Are you gonna keep your avatar up-to-date on the fate of the series? So if I come in here and your avatar says "Terminated" its canceled and if it says "Come with me if you want to live." the show is renewed?

My avatar will reflect the state of the series.

Brian Austin Green said today that the writers began work on scripts for Season 3.

 

[Base_Delta_Zero]

Show...? What show?



Hilarious post, by the way!

Thanks! I stumbled across the photoshoot and thought you guys would at least appreciate the pics, if not the humor.

 

[Devnull]

NX1701g...Are you gonna keep your avatar up-to-date on the fate of the series? So if I come in here and your avatar says "Terminated" its canceled and if it says "Come with me if you want to live." the show is renewed?

My avatar will reflect the state of the series.

Brian Austin Green said today that the writers began work on scripts for Season 3.

Hope it's true! Got any way to back this up? Most of the internets think the show is "canceled for sure" again Tried to remind them of last year and no one remembers.

 

[Verse]

One thing that I'm wondering about is will John still care about Cameron now that hes met Allison?

Also, what was up with John Henry mimicking Weaver all the time in this episode?

I think that was meant to show the similar thinking of two robots... but I could be way off.

 

[Brikar99]

One thing that I'm wondering about is will John still care about Cameron now that hes met Allison?

He'll maybe care about her MORE after meeting Allison.

 

[Booji]

One thing that I'm wondering about is will John still care about Cameron now that hes met Allison?

Also, what was up with John Henry mimicking Weaver all the time in this episode?

I think that was meant to show the similar thinking of two robots... but I could be way off.

I thought he was just acting bratty, like a little kid who repeats what their parents say. You can tell from Ellerson's reaction to him like "quit acting like a baby". That made me laugh

 

[Checkmate]

One thing that I'm wondering about is will John still care about Cameron now that hes met Allison?

Also, what was up with John Henry mimicking Weaver all the time in this episode?

I think that was meant to show the similar thinking of two robots... but I could be way off.

I'd say it was closer to showing that his intellect had already catching up to Weaver's (a hyper advance AI) despite being in the early stages of its development; that he was, indeed, coming to the same conclusions as a far superior machine given the same input.

 

[Pilot Ace]

One thing that I'm wondering about is will John still care about Cameron now that hes met Allison?

Also, what was up with John Henry mimicking Weaver all the time in this episode?

I think that was meant to show the similar thinking of two robots... but I could be way off.

I just wanted to say, your avatar is fantastic.

 

[LutherSloan]

Just saw this interesting quote from Brian Austin Green where he talks about what happened at the end (making this the OFFICIAL explanation for people who were doubtful):

Green elaborates, "You have this episode where John Connor travels to a future where John Connor never existed. I don't know if people completely get it because we work on a string theory, which we've dealt with during the season. We dealt with that with Jessie, in the future that she came from there was Charles Fisher, who tortured everyone. In the future I came from, he never existed. I don't remember him. We were still together within these parallel futures but they were still different and they still had their own paths. This is the same concept. For John Connor to travel to a future where he never existed, where Kyle Reese never left, where Derek and Kyle are still fighting side by side, where Allison (the human Cameron was based on) is still very much present, what becomes of John? What better situation for somebody to grow up in and become the future leader than that? Than to be fighting in what he's been trying to prevent? Not just being the top dog, being listened to for everything, but having to actually listen and follow."

http://tv.ign.com/articles/973/973668p1.html

 

[Sephiroth]

Just saw this interesting quote from Brian Austin Green where he talks about what happened at the end (making this the OFFICIAL explanation for people who were doubtful):

Green elaborates, "You have this episode where John Connor travels to a future where John Connor never existed. I don't know if people completely get it because we work on a string theory, which we've dealt with during the season. We dealt with that with Jessie, in the future that she came from there was Charles Fisher, who tortured everyone. In the future I came from, he never existed. I don't remember him. We were still together within these parallel futures but they were still different and they still had their own paths. This is the same concept. For John Connor to travel to a future where he never existed, where Kyle Reese never left, where Derek and Kyle are still fighting side by side, where Allison (the human Cameron was based on) is still very much present, what becomes of John? What better situation for somebody to grow up in and become the future leader than that? Than to be fighting in what he's been trying to prevent? Not just being the top dog, being listened to for everything, but having to actually listen and follow."

http://tv.ign.com/articles/973/973668p1.html

so (atleast part of season 3) will have John fight the machines and defeat SKYnet (and grow up, so, mid season actor swap?) capture the time machine, and go back, so he can fight the machines again?