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Terminator-221 "Adam Raised a Cain" - Dicuss/Grade

Grade 221

  • "I'll be back." (Excellent)

    Votes: 73 76.8%
  • "Come with me if you want to live." (Above Average)

    Votes: 15 15.8%
  • "Thank you for explaining." (Average)

    Votes: 4 4.2%
  • "If we stay the course we are dead. We are all dead!" (Below Average)

    Votes: 2 2.1%
  • "You are TERMINATED." (Poor)

    Votes: 1 1.1%

  • Total voters
    95
I can't believe we're now to the final episode of the season and the main characters still haven't met Weaver yet. It's just unbelievable how much this storyline was stretched out into nothingness. I remember when 2X1 aired I was so excited because this season they would fight a T-1000... but they still haven't met her yet! Sigh.
Stretched out into nothingness? I really disagree, they have gone very far with Weaver, showing her to be a complex and mysterious machine who appears to be working toward a "kinder, gentler" Skynet, with an ambiguous attitude towards humans.

Fighting her would be a mistake at this point, partly because I think the Connors would lose badly and partly because if they win, they are doing the job for Skynet, JH's "brother".
 
I'm also kind of disappointed that Cameron ran and left Sarah behind, when she could have easily turned the streets into a river of blood. I understand that there are good reasons for the retreat, but it would have been cool is see her engaged in wholesale slaughter. She's a terminator, it's what she's made for.

Unless Sarah is meant to be captured by the police.

Maybe Cameron called the police because Sarah was bring a pain in the rear.

But I'm more concerned with the ratings impact of T:TSCC's less than action-packed nature. A big portion of the Terminator audience is men who like gunfights, chases, and and explosions. While the current series has a great story, the general lack of gunfights, chases, and explosions has to be hurting it in that demographic.

T:TSSC was marketed as a killer robot girl with guns series, with a woman and a boy in there somewhere. Being a robot girl with guns series implies stylistic John-Woo style action, with guns, lots of guns, dual fully automatic pistols, dual miniguns, dual GAU-8 Avengers, with Robot Girl doing backflips on a motorcycle while shooting people and robots with matching custom-engraved GAU-8 Avengers as doves fly overhead.

That's the sort of thing that makes a successful television series, when paired with good writing. T:TSSC has the good writing, and the emotional contemplation is great, but emotional contemplation and 4000 pound gatling guns wielded with one hand are not mutually exclusive concepts.

All great action shows and movies combine powerful emotional contemplation with awesome gun fights, awesome chases, and awesome explosions. Die Hard, both Terminators, Lethal Weapon 1 and 2, Bad Boys and it's time-honored squeal, True Lies, Point Break, Speed, The Matrix movie that didn't suck, and everything that John Woo ever touched - These are the exemplars that the writers, directors, producers, and showrunner should be looking towards.

They've got the awesome plot, but they missed the boat on awesome style, and awesome action. And Cameron opening up a can of Terminator whoop-ass on a couple hundred woefully underarmed cops, leaving nothing but corpses in her wake, is just what this series needs to get that awesome. And doing so with a rotary cannon too big for any human to lift would just be even more awesome.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I really want to see Summer Glau shoot things with a rotary cannon and I think a lot of other people do, too. Is Summer Glau shooting things with a rotary cannon too much to ask for? Can't the producers see how important this is?

This is my favorite post of the week. :lol:
 
If Cameron doesn't do a Terminator 1 style Police Station shootout to rescue Sarah next week I will be very disappointed.
 
If Cameron doesn't do a Terminator 1 style Police Station shootout to rescue Sarah next week I will be very disappointed.
Quite the opposite for me. With the first Terminator, it was the machine wanting to kill Sarah; now after all these years it'll be there to bust her out.
 
If Cameron doesn't do a Terminator 1 style Police Station shootout to rescue Sarah next week I will be very disappointed.
The preview of the episode seems to say that will happen.

And the WonderCon promo had her blasting a bunch of guys presumably as part of the rescue attempt. However, they weren't wearing police uniforms; it looked like they were more of the water delivery bad guys.

At any rate, Cameron will be taking care of somebody next week. ;)
 
She better not start killing cops just to up the body count. The police are the good guys. Water Delivery Guys and Weaver private security goons? Have at it.
 
The police aren't the good guys. They are, at the very best, useless annoyances. Usually, they're willfully ignorant co-conspirators in the genocide of humanity. In this case, they were outright villains. They ambushed an unarmed woman beat the crap out of her with clubs. She was on the ground, and they kept beating. Over and over and over again. That wasn't the action of good guys. That was the action of thugs with badges who need to be taken down a peg, with bullets.
 
The police aren't the good guys. They are, at the very best, useless annoyances. Usually, they're willfully ignorant co-conspirators in the genocide of humanity. In this case, they were outright villains. They ambushed an unarmed woman beat the crap out of her with clubs. She was on the ground, and they kept beating. Over and over and over again. That wasn't the action of good guys. That was the action of thugs with badges who need to be taken down a peg, with bullets.

If they had ID'd her as Sarah Connor and not one of her aliases, as the TV report indicated, then it's hard to criticize them though. As far as they know she's a dangerous terrorist with a tendency to blow up perfectly innocent tech research firms.
 
considering she fought back, i was amazed they didn't shoot her.

She fought back!

Why didn't they shoot her?

American cops are allowed to shoot unarmed people if they run away but she fought back, and did a bloody good job of it.

Methinks they had special instructions to make sure she didn't wind up with a bullet in her head, because I'm not saying cops are insanely violent, just that after so many of then have been whacked arbitrary by drug-addicts or master-criminals or soccer moms trying to get out of a speeding ticket, they're justifiably cautious to put a hole in any one that doesn't follow their instructions to the letter.
 
The police aren't the good guys. They are, at the very best, useless annoyances. Usually, they're willfully ignorant co-conspirators in the genocide of humanity. In this case, they were outright villains. They ambushed an unarmed woman beat the crap out of her with clubs. She was on the ground, and they kept beating. Over and over and over again. That wasn't the action of good guys. That was the action of thugs with badges who need to be taken down a peg, with bullets.

If they had ID'd her as Sarah Connor and not one of her aliases, as the TV report indicated, then it's hard to criticize them though. As far as they know she's a dangerous terrorist with a tendency to blow up perfectly innocent tech research firms.

Given that they have ample evidence for the existence of Terminators and of Judgment Day, from interviews of Sarah Connor and Kyle Reese to bloodbaths that no human being could possible be responsible for, they have no excuse for their refusal to assist the Connors in their war against the machines. Even Ellison came around when he saw the devastation that a single Terminator can cause. Every other cop who saw that same devastation is fair game, because they choose to recklessly endanger six and a half billion lives. They should know in their hearts that Skynet is real, but they lie to themselves and pretend that they don't.

If you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem. And if you're part of the problem, then you're a bad guy. Ergo, the police, who are not part of the solution, are bad guys.

They're not even well-fleshed bad guys. They're mooks, henchmen, generic faceless hoards that exist in action movies and shows for the sole purpose of being killed by the hero, without hesitation or remorse.

considering she fought back, i was amazed they didn't shoot her.

She fought back!

Why didn't they shoot her?

American cops are allowed to shoot unarmed people if they run away but she fought back, and did a bloody good job of it.

Methinks they had special instructions to make sure she didn't wind up with a bullet in her head, because I'm not saying cops are insanely violent, just that after so many of then have been whacked arbitrary by drug-addicts or master-criminals or soccer moms trying to get out of a speeding ticket, they're justifiably cautious to put a hole in any one that doesn't follow their instructions to the letter.

Cops aren't allowed to shoot people who run; that's a myth. Cops can only shoot if they have the reasonable belief that there is an immanent threat of serious injury or death to themselves or a third party.

Now, cops can shoot unarmed black people who run and get away with it.
But that's just because juries are racist.
 
Also, it is probably fair to say a lot of Cops are honest law-abiding people who go into the job because they want to make a difference, and therefore they don't WANT to shoot people, at least this is the case in the UK.

There are well-publicised bad apples, way too many to be acceptable, but it is not the majority.
 
considering she fought back, i was amazed they didn't shoot her.

She fought back!

Why didn't they shoot her?

American cops are allowed to shoot unarmed people if they run away but she fought back, and did a bloody good job of it.

Methinks they had special instructions to make sure she didn't wind up with a bullet in her head, because I'm not saying cops are insanely violent, just that after so many of then have been whacked arbitrary by drug-addicts or master-criminals or soccer moms trying to get out of a speeding ticket, they're justifiably cautious to put a hole in any one that doesn't follow their instructions to the letter.

it's the LAPD, the fact they didn't just shoot her when she walked out attests to this being an alternate reality
 
They're not even well-fleshed bad guys. They're mooks, henchmen, generic faceless hoards that exist in action movies and shows for the sole purpose of being killed by the hero, without hesitation or remorse.
I think this show, as shown so far at least, is a little better than that.
 
A couple of weeks back I had resigned to myself that this show was going to be canceled. Therefore, I went into every episode thinking that each one was a gift and to cherish it so. However, the last couple of weeks have been so good that I now don't want the show to go away. They really can't cancel this show IMO, but it still will most likely be bye bye come May.
 
Remember that blogger that said that Sarah Connor was cancelled? well she made the whole thing up
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=16708798#post16708798

Here is a message from the blogger who wrote both the "leak review" and the article about TSCC's cancellation. She confesses that she pretty much makes up all the crap on her blog, and she didn't expect this message to be screencapped and published (it was originally private).

laniegrace.png


So let me repeat that... EVERYTHING SHE SAID ON HER BLOG IS A LIE. She admitted herself that she has no actual sources and that she made the whole review up herself. As if the fact that it was inferior to even Josh Friedman's worst writing wasn't enough of a red flag, now you have it straight from the horse's mouth. And yes, she is a horse, I've dealt with her myself and can confirm this firsthand.
 
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