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Terminator-221 "Adam Raised a Cain" - Dicuss/Grade

Grade 221

  • "I'll be back." (Excellent)

    Votes: 73 76.8%
  • "Come with me if you want to live." (Above Average)

    Votes: 15 15.8%
  • "Thank you for explaining." (Average)

    Votes: 4 4.2%
  • "If we stay the course we are dead. We are all dead!" (Below Average)

    Votes: 2 2.1%
  • "You are TERMINATED." (Poor)

    Votes: 1 1.1%

  • Total voters
    95
Future John from the new post-John Henry timeline realizes that John Henry was created to stop Skynet and prevent Judgement Day, and thus his destruction of John Henry was the direct cause of Judgemnt Day. In order to correct this error, he goes back in time himself to commit retroactive suicide, thus saving the world. It makes perfect sense.
I guess....but this is assuming that JH will SUCCEED in defeating Skynet, assuming as we can at this point that Skynet has been trying to kill him and Weaver.
 
Future John from the new post-John Henry timeline realizes that John Henry was created to stop Skynet and prevent Judgement Day, and thus his destruction of John Henry was the direct cause of Judgemnt Day.

I can see this happening. It's also very similar to how Skynet activates in the novel T2: Rising Storm.

In order to correct this error, he goes back in time himself to commit retroactive suicide, thus saving the world. It makes perfect sense.

That would be an interesting new premise for the series, but I don't think it'll happen. Never know though.
 
I'm also kind of disappointed that Cameron ran and left Sarah behind, when she could have easily turned the streets into a river of blood. I understand that there are good reasons for the retreat, but it would have been cool is see her engaged in wholesale slaughter. She's a terminator, it's what she's made for.

Unless Sarah is meant to be captured by the police.
 
Well, my first thought after Derek died was that he'd be brought back by the machines via him being turned into an... Infiltrator, I think it's called? But I'm warming up to the idea of a "Tasha Yar" style death rather than a "Locutus" style storyline.

I-950 Infiltrator Series

It is unlikely to happen. The person in the box being buried was supposed to be Derek.
 
quite honestly, this episode has shown the best writing of the series, and it's obvious now that Weaver is here on her own terms, and John Connor not mattering to her seems interesting
 
What would be REALLY cool is if Christian Bale cameos in the finale as Future John. He could appear out of nowhere and start screaming and cursing at Young John for doing things wrong and how everyone else is being held up because he isn't doing his ****ing job.
 
I'm also kind of disappointed that Cameron ran and left Sarah behind, when she could have easily turned the streets into a river of blood. I understand that there are good reasons for the retreat, but it would have been cool is see her engaged in wholesale slaughter. She's a terminator, it's what she's made for.

Unless Sarah is meant to be captured by the police.

Maybe Cameron called the police because Sarah was bring a pain in the rear.

But I'm more concerned with the ratings impact of T:TSCC's less than action-packed nature. A big portion of the Terminator audience is men who like gunfights, chases, and and explosions. While the current series has a great story, the general lack of gunfights, chases, and explosions has to be hurting it in that demographic.

T:TSSC was marketed as a killer robot girl with guns series, with a woman and a boy in there somewhere. Being a robot girl with guns series implies stylistic John-Woo style action, with guns, lots of guns, dual fully automatic pistols, dual miniguns, dual GAU-8 Avengers, with Robot Girl doing backflips on a motorcycle while shooting people and robots with matching custom-engraved GAU-8 Avengers as doves fly overhead.

That's the sort of thing that makes a successful television series, when paired with good writing. T:TSSC has the good writing, and the emotional contemplation is great, but emotional contemplation and 4000 pound gatling guns wielded with one hand are not mutually exclusive concepts.

All great action shows and movies combine powerful emotional contemplation with awesome gun fights, awesome chases, and awesome explosions. Die Hard, both Terminators, Lethal Weapon 1 and 2, Bad Boys and it's time-honored squeal, True Lies, Point Break, Speed, The Matrix movie that didn't suck, and everything that John Woo ever touched - These are the exemplars that the writers, directors, producers, and showrunner should be looking towards.

They've got the awesome plot, but they missed the boat on awesome style, and awesome action. And Cameron opening up a can of Terminator whoop-ass on a couple hundred woefully underarmed cops, leaving nothing but corpses in her wake, is just what this series needs to get that awesome. And doing so with a rotary cannon too big for any human to lift would just be even more awesome.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I really want to see Summer Glau shoot things with a rotary cannon and I think a lot of other people do, too. Is Summer Glau shooting things with a rotary cannon too much to ask for? Can't the producers see how important this is?
 
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I must say that Mackenzie Brooke Smith is a terrific little actress and is doing a great job on this show.

I will miss Derek but the show had really steered away from Sarah and John with his story and that needed to be corrected. Brutal way to go out.

Weaver is the creepiest character on tv right now hands down.

I cant wait for the reveal of John Henrys brother. Maybe the last shot of the show next week.
 
Here's a link to the april fool's joke on the Terminator cast:

http://www.fox.com/fod/play.php?sh=tscc&ep=1238451167918

BAG and Thomas Dekker think the show should just be called "John." :lol:

i hate it how they wouldn't let Summer talk.
Summer is actually a naturally reticent individual. She is always the least talkative in a group, allowing others to take the lead and do all the talking. Every time I've seen or heard her in a group, she very rarely volunteers comments, only answering the questions she's asked directly or invited to comment on. I would almost call her shy.

Yes, from panel interviews and such, she's usually the quietest. She does talk a bit more on the commentary tracks for the S1 DVD, but I definitely get the impression that the actress is naturally someone of relatively few words.
 
With every breath they take, they rerecreate the future. It's fluid. And everyone of those futures can and probably has sent a Derek back. There can already be multiple Dereks wandering around in the present and still more on there way.

So, really John an Sarah have to realize that they are probably already bilillions and billions of timelines removed from the Kyle Reese who knocked up Sarah that each derek is really the most distant distant realtion in no way the brother to the man who fathered John.
 
But I'm more concerned with the ratings impact of T:TSCC's less than action-packed nature. A big portion of the Terminator audience is men who like gunfights, chases, and and explosions. While the current series has a great story, the general lack of gunfights, chases, and explosions has to be hurting it in that demographic.

T:TSSC was marketed as a killer robot girl with guns series, with a woman and a boy in there somewhere. Being a robot girl with guns series implies stylistic John-Woo style action, with guns, lots of guns, dual fully automatic pistols, dual miniguns, dual GAU-8 Avengers, with Robot Girl doing backflips on a motorcycle while shooting people and robots with matching custom-engraved GAU-8 Avengers as doves fly overhead.

That's the sort of thing that makes a successful television series, when paired with good writing. T:TSSC has the good writing, and the emotional contemplation is great, but emotional contemplation and 4000 pound gatling guns wielded with one hand are not mutually exclusive concepts.

All great action shows and movies combine powerful emotional contemplation with awesome gun fights, awesome chases, and awesome explosions. Die Hard, both Terminators, Lethal Weapon 1 and 2, Bad Boys and it's time-honored squeal, True Lies, Point Break, Speed, The Matrix movie that didn't suck, and everything that John Woo ever touched - These are the exemplars that the writers, directors, producers, and showrunner should be looking towards.

They've got the awesome plot, but they missed the boat on awesome style, and awesome action. And Cameron opening up a can of Terminator whoop-ass on a couple hundred woefully underarmed cops, leaving nothing but corpses in her wake, is just what this series needs to get that awesome. And doing so with a rotary cannon too big for any human to lift would just be even more awesome.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I really want to see Summer Glau shoot things with a rotary cannon and I think a lot of other people do, too. Is Summer Glau shooting things with a rotary cannon too much to ask for? Can't the producers see how important this is?

I always found that interesting. Yes I know Terminator is very much marketed as an action show - just look at the promos - but the producers have said since the beginning that it was geared more as a family drama. But I do understand their decision to market it in such a way (come on it even first aired after the Super Bowl!)
 
Fantastic episode.

btw When I first read the title for this thread all I read was "Adama Raised a Cain"? Anybody else do that? lol
 
Ether way, it still sounds like an euphemism for having an erection.

So lets see? Weever saying that John Henry was God, ruins all my speculation about the brothers Cyberdyne playing out the positions of Cain and Able.
 
I always found that interesting. Yes I know Terminator is very much marketed as an action show - just look at the promos - but the producers have said since the beginning that it was geared more as a family drama. But I do understand their decision to market it in such a way (come on it even first aired after the Super Bowl!)

I like that it's a family drama. But still, you can have family drama and over-the-top action in one show. The Lethal Weapons, the Bad Boys, and True Lies were all very powerful family dramas, especially True Lies, but they also had a great deal of action. There is a balance to be struck, a happy medium to find. As a wise person once said, the family that slays together stays together. Certainly, Cameron wielding a weapon the size of two Volkswagons, not in the rather boring crazy Sarah arc.

I don't like that it's in danger of cancellation, which Cameron wielding a weapon the size of two Volkswagons would have helped with.
 
No, I don't want to see Cameron wielding a weapon the size of a Volkswagen, I actually want to see her wielding a Volkswagen as a weapon slapping the hell out of "someone".

That being said, I think the family drama is adorable and i shudder to think about the amount of money I have flushed down the drain buying my kid Bionicles. Humpty fucking dumpty.
 
Okay.



How about she picks up the Beetle, beats the crap out of a terminator with it until the targeted terminator becomes stuck, then she picks up the cannon and pretends that a terminator in a beetle is the same as a fish in a barrel.
 
Most overseas advertising materials list TSCC as the direct prequel to Salvation.

In the US ad materials list the films.
I think that's just misleading marketing. Josh Friedman has always said he is doing his own thing independently from the new movies (obviously he does look at T1 and T2), and that he hasn't been in contact with the producers of T4. He will take elements from T3 (like the cancer of Sarah) to play with, and perhaps of T4, but why would he want to go to an ending that is consistent to T4? That would tie his hands and feet to what T4's producers are doing, would be a horrible mistake. TSCC has to do its own thing, and preferably (for me, that is) stop Judgment Day. It is a T2 sequel, after all -"no fate but what we make".

^ Jesse is dead according to the promo for this episode.

Regardless if we do get another season don't count on guest shots from either BAG or Stephanie Jacobsen. Both have signed on to pilots for CW. BAG will star in The Body Politic and Stephanie Jacobsen is one of the leads in Melrose Place.
The promo said "gone", not dead. Could be very misleading, again. Especially since the 3 "deaths of a loved one" are accounted for, now: Derek ( :eek: ), Charlie and Riley. We didn't see Jesse getting killed, I maintain that Derek's gun wasn't even loaded as it didn't seem to fire.

Even if Jesse does not come back (and a guest role for 1 episode is always possible I suppose, even with the actor on another show, they probably don't shoot episodes for that all year), I think the intention is that she did as she was told: leave the Connors and go away. Maybe she went back to Australie...

It was a really excellent episode, very moving and the ending was powerful, with Derek getting buried next to Kyle, JH singing with Savannah and John so totally devastated by everything that happened in the last week or so. Riley, Charlie, Derek, and now Sarah arrested. I hope he doesn't go after JH now, as he has the wrong information and he would be doing Skynet's own dirty work for it.

I'm still shocked Derek died just like that.
 
Is next week's episode normal length or two hours?

I also thought that we were going to get closure for the basement mystery from earlier, but I can't see how they are going to fit that in now...
Maybe from a flashback in Cameron's POV, or her telling John about it. IIRC it was more or less promised this would be resolved, and I'm not content with the little bit that Cameron told Derek about giving up John's location (not even sure it was about the basement, though it likely was).
 
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