Terminator-216 "SMWWSMS" - Discuss/Grade <Spoilers>

[Aragorn]

Maybe next week we'll find out Sarah dreams about a practically-naked Cameron A LOT.

 

[Sakrysta]

I admit it makes a little more sense if Winston is real. But I spend a lot of my time confused while watching this show, and this week was probably the worst as far as completely messing with my head. I would have appreciated a little more clarity on what was real and what wasn't.

 

[nx1701g]

^ All the events taking place in the hospital were fake. The events taking place in the car were real.

 

[nx1701g]

It cheated. As we had "dream" moments where Sarah wasn't present.

She dreamed that John was seeing Cameron walk by in a bra, too.

But there is some justification for that - as well as for the pancakes (Cameron makes them even better, in her nightmare) and Cameron being generally buddy-buddy with John. Sarah can imagine all kinds of things in her dreams anyway, and Cameron and John is a major point in her subconscious fears. The closing monologue points in the same direction: Sarah is afraid of losing John to Cameron. This will be a major point in the last 6 episodes, I'm sure.

Couldn't have said it any better myself.

I'm wondering if the factory was Weaver's, or not. Winstom was calling an accomplice, and they thought John (well, Sarah's son) had blown it up. I suspect Weaver attacked a 'competitor' in the "making Skynet" business.

I think that's a possibility.

Spoiler: Especially since

An upcoming episode will involve John Henry being hacked.

But I think that Weaver was in control over the base. We have seen that she controls companies other than Zeira Corp. Though I do suppose anything is possible with this show.

 

[Sephiroth]

I disagree on the factory being Not Weaver's, it sounded to me like the factory's cover MAY have been blown so better to destroy it and start anew than to run the risk of exposure

 

[nx1701g]

^ Another possibility. We'll find out soon enough.

Wouldn't it be shocking though if the Three Dots DID represent the logo of Cyberdyne/CRS from the films though...

 

[Guy Gardener]

I seen this in TNG, Charmed and Buffy. The fake loony bin. Gods.

This episode was a complete waste of time.

 

[Samurai8472]

Will Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles finish the season?
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/02/2...rah-connor-chronicles-finish-the-season/13675
Posted on 28 February 2009 by Robert Seidman

summer-glau

Is it possible that Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles could be cancelled before the season even ends? Sure, it’s possible, but it doesn’t seem likely, despite continued deteriorating ratings. But, what FOX does or doesn’t do with the 8pm slot on Fridays may say more to how it feels about Dollhouse, than how it feels about Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles.

We already know how FOX feels about Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. Sucky. The question is, does it feel just plain awful about it? My guess is no. Even with the latest ratings decline which included getting beat by an hour of Howie Do It (one original episode, one repeat), I’m thinking FOX lets it finish out its run.

That thinking is predicated on speculation which I merely think is true, rather than anything I know for certain is true. But I speculate that Warner Brother a.) made the show available to FOX very cheaply and b.) that when Terminator: Salvation comes out there will be a HUGE marketing spend promoting the movie, and that FOX will get a preferential share of the television advertising dollars allocated to promote the movie.

Speaking of the movie, now even James Hibberd likely motivated by crazed Terminator fanboys on the Internet throws out (and simultaneously, smacks down) the notion of well what if the movie is a hit in the summer and rubs off on the TV show. That’s not happening!

Commitment to a two hour, big screen, action packed movie is very different than a television show. But moreover, even if it’s the blockbuster hit of the summer (and I’ll certainly go see it!), and even if it does create a Terminator frenzy that causes more people to check out the TV show, they’ll check it out and think, “That’s not anything like the movie, see ya!”

If it was one hour of pure Sarah and Cameron being badass chicks with stuff constantly blowing up? It would do better, for sure. But that approach would do better regardless of there being a movie. That isn’t the show they are making. They’ve moved further and further away from that sort of thing (although it looks like they might be moving back towards more action) and it’s not clear to me that Josh Friedman wants to make that kind of show.

It seems, Friedman is much more interested in exploring how people react and adapt to what’s going on around them. I find that aspect similar to Battlestar Galactica, but that’s easier to get away with on cable and it’s not like BSG’s ratings are catching fire, although with only 3 episodes left now, that doesn’t matter.

But Battlestar Galactica doesn’t have anybody whining about how its lead-in is tanking BSG’s ratings which is semi-remarkable as its current lead-in is Moonlight. SciFi Friday nights right now has Moonlight sandwiched in-between reruns of Star Trek: The Next Generation and the final episodes of Battlestar Galactica.

But TSCC is facing pressure, at least from fans of Joss Whedon’s Dollhouse. Dollhouse fans are starting to get exasperated over the TSCC lead-in and wondering if FOX could do anything else. I’m not sure there’s anything FOX could put on at 8pm that would measurably change how it’s going for Dollhouse, but it seems a slam dunk that FOX could improve the night’s performance overall at least a bit, simply by replacing TSCC with House reruns.

There’s absolutely no way Dollhouse doesn’t get to air all 13 episodes (they’ve already been shot!), and I don’t see FOX pulling the plug on TSCC. But if it does, that to me says much more about how FOX feels about Dollhouse. If it improved Dollhouse’s lead-in that would suggest that FOX cares more about Dollhouse than whatever deal it has with Warner Brothers that has kept TSCC on the air as long as it already has. I don’t see that happening, but if it did I’d view it as a sign that FOX isn’t completely in the space of “once all 13 episodes have aired, it’s done.”

 

[Brent]

i want her to bite my pee pee off with those teeth

 

[nx1701g]

Will Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles finish the season?
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/02/2...rah-connor-chronicles-finish-the-season/13675
Posted on 28 February 2009 by Robert Seidman

summer-glau

Is it possible that Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles could be cancelled before the season even ends? Sure, it’s possible, but it doesn’t seem likely, despite continued deteriorating ratings. But, what FOX does or doesn’t do with the 8pm slot on Fridays may say more to how it feels about Dollhouse, than how it feels about Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles.

We already know how FOX feels about Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. Sucky. The question is, does it feel just plain awful about it? My guess is no. Even with the latest ratings decline which included getting beat by an hour of Howie Do It (one original episode, one repeat), I’m thinking FOX lets it finish out its run.

That thinking is predicated on speculation which I merely think is true, rather than anything I know for certain is true. But I speculate that Warner Brother a.) made the show available to FOX very cheaply and b.) that when Terminator: Salvation comes out there will be a HUGE marketing spend promoting the movie, and that FOX will get a preferential share of the television advertising dollars allocated to promote the movie.

Speaking of the movie, now even James Hibberd likely motivated by crazed Terminator fanboys on the Internet throws out (and simultaneously, smacks down) the notion of well what if the movie is a hit in the summer and rubs off on the TV show. That’s not happening!

Commitment to a two hour, big screen, action packed movie is very different than a television show. But moreover, even if it’s the blockbuster hit of the summer (and I’ll certainly go see it!), and even if it does create a Terminator frenzy that causes more people to check out the TV show, they’ll check it out and think, “That’s not anything like the movie, see ya!”

If it was one hour of pure Sarah and Cameron being badass chicks with stuff constantly blowing up? It would do better, for sure. But that approach would do better regardless of there being a movie. That isn’t the show they are making. They’ve moved further and further away from that sort of thing (although it looks like they might be moving back towards more action) and it’s not clear to me that Josh Friedman wants to make that kind of show.

It seems, Friedman is much more interested in exploring how people react and adapt to what’s going on around them. I find that aspect similar to Battlestar Galactica, but that’s easier to get away with on cable and it’s not like BSG’s ratings are catching fire, although with only 3 episodes left now, that doesn’t matter.

But Battlestar Galactica doesn’t have anybody whining about how its lead-in is tanking BSG’s ratings which is semi-remarkable as its current lead-in is Moonlight. SciFi Friday nights right now has Moonlight sandwiched in-between reruns of Star Trek: The Next Generation and the final episodes of Battlestar Galactica.

But TSCC is facing pressure, at least from fans of Joss Whedon’s Dollhouse. Dollhouse fans are starting to get exasperated over the TSCC lead-in and wondering if FOX could do anything else. I’m not sure there’s anything FOX could put on at 8pm that would measurably change how it’s going for Dollhouse, but it seems a slam dunk that FOX could improve the night’s performance overall at least a bit, simply by replacing TSCC with House reruns.

There’s absolutely no way Dollhouse doesn’t get to air all 13 episodes (they’ve already been shot!), and I don’t see FOX pulling the plug on TSCC. But if it does, that to me says much more about how FOX feels about Dollhouse. If it improved Dollhouse’s lead-in that would suggest that FOX cares more about Dollhouse than whatever deal it has with Warner Brothers that has kept TSCC on the air as long as it already has. I don’t see that happening, but if it did I’d view it as a sign that FOX isn’t completely in the space of “once all 13 episodes have aired, it’s done.”

It raises some good points: including one of the ones I mentioned about WB basically trying to buy it another season by low price and heavy advertising.

Truthfully if (big if though) we'd get another season I still think it should be maximized at 13 episodes only.

 

[Guy Gardener]

How about 26 1/2 hour episodes?

I'm amazed about what can be done with the half hour drama set up after watching Weeds and Cali fornication and even The United States of Tara. It's not my imagination that they could probably take any episode ever make of terminator and remove 15 minutes without touching a word of dialog. The expressing and emoting and staring and glaring which seems to impersonate telepathy ion this show takes up too much space.

They cut Ally Mcbeal down into a 1/2 hour format by removing all the court scenes and just focussed on the Ally and friends subplots. I never saw these episodes, but it's refferenced on IMDB and it sounds hilarious if your're a fan of taking a butchers knife to something you know intimately.

 

[LutherSloan]

Um, I thought that TSCC's ratings were very close to Dollhouse's anyway?

 

[Tim]

There seems to be wide disagreement about this episode in various online fora. Either people really like it (the creepy atmosphere and all - it did have that X-files vibe a bit), or they only appreciated the view right above this post.

I appreciate it all, baby.

 

[dru]

I seen this in TNG, Charmed and Buffy. The fake loony bin. Gods.

This episode was a complete waste of time.

If that's your take on the episode you didn't "get it" at all. It was not as simplistic as "the fake loony bin" because it wasn't fake. She dreamed/hallucinated the whole sleep clinic plot.

 

[Mitty]

Was very Frame of Mind, but hey it was a mind fuck and I love mind fucks. anything that leaves you feeling disturbed at the end must be good.

 

[Wouter2]

Wouldn't it be shocking though if the Three Dots DID represent the logo of Cyberdyne/CRS from the films though...

That's a possibility, Zack did say that the 3 dots would be explained, and not through supernatural means. So it would almost have to be something Sarah can remember (but which seems to be only subconscious, now).

I'm not saying Weaver was not the owner of "Desert heat and air", just that it hasn't been established without any doubt, yet. Weaver is not the only one who can use other companies as fronts, and the parent company of "Desert heat and air" hasn't been established yet as one of the fronts for Weaver.

I love the show, I hope it stays on the air and gets a third season - preferably a full one, though 13 would already be good, especially if it gets a real shot at a 4th season by correct promotion and timeslot (if the 3rd one is definitely the last though, known in advance, 22 eps would be better). I think the marketing of this show as "action" and the emphasis on "terminator" may have been a mistake, it's the Sopranos/BSG audience that TSCC should try to reach in marketing, rather than pure action fans. The latter will be disappointed and will stop watching.

Is Dollhouse any good, anyway? Its premise doesn't sound that interesting, to me (OK, I admit, TSCC's premise didn't sound good to me either, at first). It's all good if it stays in the air, but I doubt replacing TSCC as lead-in would help - sounds as an excuse. If WB has a deal with FOX, I hope this does lead to a 3rd season, and TSCC isn't dropped in an attempt to get Dollhouse more viewers (that will likely fail anyway).

 

[hyzmarca]

I've sick and tired of this lovey-dovey Sarah who feels bad about shooting people. I'd like to see some of that T2 makes-Jack-Bauer-look-soft blow-it-up-and-kill-whoever-gets-in-the-way Sarah that John has to reign in.

 

[Lindley]

Is Dollhouse any good, anyway?

It's not bad. Not yet up to Joss Whedon's usual standards of awesome, though.

 

[Wouter2]

I've sick and tired of this lovey-dovey Sarah who feels bad about shooting people. I'd like to see some of that T2 makes-Jack-Bauer-look-soft blow-it-up-and-kill-whoever-gets-in-the-way Sarah that John has to reign in.

Well, in that case, the ending of this episode should have made you happy, she executed Winston at point blank, after getting out of her handcuffs in a way that makes Jack Bauer look mere average?

 

[hyzmarca]

Yeah, but the closing monologue suggested that she felt bad about it afterward, which kind of defeats the point.