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Teen reviewer unimpressed by Walkman

The only justice that will ever come of this is when this 13 year old is himself a father someday and his son laughs at the clunky inadequacy of the stoopid '09 ipod. Sorry, but that's the circle of life :D

Dad, this iPod is lame. How did anyone ever survive without genetically implanted music? How!!??
 
To celebrate the 30th anniversary of the invention of the Sony Walkman, the BBC invited 13-year-old Scott Campbell to swap his iPod for a Walkman for a week.

Deprivation truly is completely relative.

And it's no wonder some of my students fail history.

"OMG--you mean Captain Scott died on his way back from the South Pole? Why didn't he, like, call for help on his cell phone? Wasn't his OnStar working? Couldn't they locate him on GPS? Etc."

I read somewhere a couple of weeks ago that audio tape sales have increased significantly over the past couple of years.

Either the police are doing a lot more recorded interviews, or many people are enjoying a retro revival.

My car only has a tape deck, so occasionally, I'll buy old cassettes at goodwill to play there (although I usually just use my iPod adapter ;) ).

I'm also hopelessly behind in recording technology, so if I needed to record myself for some reason, it would be on tape.
 
To celebrate the 30th anniversary of the invention of the Sony Walkman, the BBC invited 13-year-old Scott Campbell to swap his iPod for a Walkman for a week.

Deprivation truly is completely relative.

And it's no wonder some of my students fail history.

"OMG--you mean Captain Scott died on his way back from the South Pole? Why didn't he, like, call for help on his cell phone? Wasn't his OnStar working? Couldn't they locate him on GPS? Etc."

I read somewhere a couple of weeks ago that audio tape sales have increased significantly over the past couple of years.

Either the police are doing a lot more recorded interviews, or many people are enjoying a retro revival.

My car only has a tape deck, so occasionally, I'll buy old cassettes at goodwill to play there (although I usually just use my iPod adapter ;) ).

I'm also hopelessly behind in recording technology, so if I needed to record myself for some reason, it would be on tape.

Digital voice recorder FTW. Stores 40 times the amount a tape does, cleaner recording, can transfer to a computer and edit it or send it to someone by email, extremely small in size and pretty cheap.

I never go to any class without it.
 
An iPod has greater storage capacity and is more mobile (both in the sense that it is smaller and because you don't have to carry around more than one cassette if you want to change to another band). It also allows you to access a song from the beginning on the first try with a click of a button (after you find the song). Rewinding and fast-forwarding is something I used to do with a walkman, but it isn't close to as convenient (I'd argue that portable CD players are slightly more convenient in this regard, but it's balanced out by the bulk and the fact that they had a tendency to skip).

Yeah... going from an analog, sequential and short storage medium to a digital, non-sequential wide medium is most certainly not a small, iterative change. An MP3 player may have the same basic functionality... it plays music... but the entire paradigm behind how you deal with the music as information is fundamentally different.

A lot of the use I do with my MP3 player, especially on long trips, there is no way of doing on a walkman.... unless you're prepared to swap tapes every song. This isn't about being impatient or lazy either... it's just about a different way of accessing information. It's not about instant access, it's about dynamic access. You absolutely cannot do that with a cassette player and if you're used to it, of course it's going to come as a shock.
 
An iPod has greater storage capacity and is more mobile (both in the sense that it is smaller and because you don't have to carry around more than one cassette if you want to change to another band). It also allows you to access a song from the beginning on the first try with a click of a button (after you find the song). Rewinding and fast-forwarding is something I used to do with a walkman, but it isn't close to as convenient (I'd argue that portable CD players are slightly more convenient in this regard, but it's balanced out by the bulk and the fact that they had a tendency to skip).

Yeah... going from an analog, sequential and short storage medium to a digital, non-sequential wide medium is most certainly not a small, iterative change. An MP3 player may have the same basic functionality... it plays music... but the entire paradigm behind how you deal with the music as information is fundamentally different.

A lot of the use I do with my MP3 player, especially on long trips, there is no way of doing on a walkman.... unless you're prepared to swap tapes every song. This isn't about being impatient or lazy either... it's just about a different way of accessing information. It's not about instant access, it's about dynamic access. You absolutely cannot do that with a cassette player and if you're used to it, of course it's going to come as a shock.

Well said :techman:

EDIT: I think another analogy you could add is the comparison between floppy disks and network drives. Both accomplish the same thing, information storage and sharing/transfer. However, calling someone lazy for not using a floppy to pass information from one co-worker to another or from office to office, instead of a LAN or a WAN is pretty retarded. Like the Ipod, networked computers offer us a far more dynamic way of accomplishing the same task.
 
Camelopard, I'll have to disagree there. At the very least, the idea that it's only a small increase might as well be used for the horse-car analogy. After all, both a horse and a car can be used to get a person from one point to another without having to walk. The difference is the car does it faster.

That must be why we've built so many roads, and parking lots, and gas stations, and other infrastructure to accommodate automobiles: because they're not all that different from horses.

Come on. Be serious--and that goes for your parrot, sidious168, as well. If you're going to use analogies, try to use them seriously.

The difference between a horse and a car is both profound and essential--far more profound and essential, even, than the difference between riding a horse and walking.

The transition from mechanical to electro-chemical energy...

...that is to say,the transition from muscle-, water-, and wind-power to coal, oil, and electricity...

...is nothing less than the transition from pre-industrial to industrial civilization. For good or ill, it marks one of the most important epochs in the history of civilization, the history of humanity, and the history of the world.

By comparison, the transition from the Walkman to the iPod is trivial to the point of ridiculousness.

An iPod has greater storage capacity and is more mobile (both in the sense that it is smaller and because you don't have to carry around more than one cassette if you want to change to another band). It also allows you to access a song from the beginning on the first try with a click of a button (after you find the song). Rewinding and fast-forwarding is something I used to do with a walkman, but it isn't close to as convenient (I'd argue that portable CD players are slightly more convenient in this regard, but it's balanced out by the bulk and the fact that they had a tendency to skip).
I've already addressed all of these points. IPods are good--that's why I bought one. But they're not as good as they're hyped up to be. See my post above.

What's more, the MP3 player represents a mere incremental advance over its predecessors--and there is no way that this incremental advance can compare with the invention of a personal recorded-music player (let alone the invention of the automobile).

Anyone who thinks otherwise is suffering from historical myopia, and needs the intellectual equivalent of corrective lenses

The invention of the Walkman was a key event in the cultural transition from classical modernity to late modernity, or post-modernity, or whatever you want to call our present condition. It broke finally with the classically-modern model of broadcast mass entertainment, which had reached its ultimate expression in the transistor radio.

SF author and cultural critic Bruce Sterling saw this clearly more than twenty years ago, even if other people did not. In his introduction to Mirrorshades: The Cyberpunk Anthology, published in 1986, he wrote:

Technology itself has changed. Not for us the giant steam-snorting wonders of the past: the Hoover Dam, he Empire State Building, the nuclear power plant. Eighties tech sticks to the skin, responds to the touch: the personal computer, the Sony Walkman, the portable telephone, the soft contact lens.
Emphasis added.

The difference between a Walkman and an iPod is comparable to the difference between, say, a Springfield 1903 rifle and today's M4 carbine.

The M4 may have a larger magazine, and a collapsible buttstock, and pistol grips, and more sophisticated sights, and select-fire capability.

But those improvements are all just incremental. In essence, rifles haven't changed much in the past hundred years--and the Springfield is still a better weapon, under certain circumstances, than its high-tech successor. The real paradigm shift in firearms design came in the late 19th century--along with so many other key inventions of the 2nd Industrial Revolution, like the automobile--or for that matter, the phonograph.
 
Camelopard, I'll have to disagree there. At the very least, the idea that it's only a small increase might as well be used for the horse-car analogy. After all, both a horse and a car can be used to get a person from one point to another without having to walk. The difference is the car does it faster.

I suppose I just find the analogy weird because a horse isn't an invention. But I'm probably being pedantic.
 
Yeah... going from an analog, sequential and short storage medium to a digital, non-sequential wide medium is most certainly not a small, iterative change.

I don't agree.

And even if that was true, you're ignoring the fact that part of this change had already been accomplished, with the introduction of CDs.

So your revolution was already over before MP3s were introduced.

A lot of the use I do with my MP3 player, especially on long trips, there is no way of doing on a walkman.... unless you're prepared to swap tapes every song.

Or record them in advance.

This isn't about being impatient or lazy either... it's just about a different way of accessing information. It's not about instant access, it's about dynamic access.

That's a distinction without a difference.
 
Just looking at the pictures in the article the kid looks like a pretty big douche. Just saying.
 
The only justice that will ever come of this is when this 13 year old is himself a father someday and his son laughs at the clunky inadequacy of the stoopid '09 ipod. Sorry, but that's the circle of life :D

Dad, this iPod is lame. How did anyone ever survive without genetically implanted music? How!!??

Fetal music implants. You are simply born with a full library of the world's music.
 
The only justice that will ever come of this is when this 13 year old is himself a father someday and his son laughs at the clunky inadequacy of the stoopid '09 ipod. Sorry, but that's the circle of life :D

Dad, this iPod is lame. How did anyone ever survive without genetically implanted music? How!!??

Fetal music implants. You are simply born with a full library of the world's music.

And then, when they come up with the next "revolutionary" improvement, people will wonder how they ever got along with just one world's music.
 
You're so behind times with your music only implants RoJo? What about a full library of the world video? and fetal iphone implant? and fetal broadband? and the obligatory fetal world-of-warcraft-client implant? :p
 
You're so behind times with your music only implants RoJo? What about a full library of the world video? and fetal iphone implant? and fetal broadband? and the obligatory fetal world-of-warcraft-client implant? :p

The music implant is standard. The rest are optional...like circumcision. :p
 
Anyone remember a show, years ago, called 1900 house; where a family had to live as if they were in 1900? Yeah, lets take a few teens and have 1980 house, the implosion would be epic.


The only justice that will ever come of this is when this 13 year old is himself a father someday and his son laughs at the clunky inadequacy of the stoopid '09 ipod. Sorry, but that's the circle of life :D

Dad, this iPod is lame. How did anyone ever survive without genetically implanted music? How!!??

Fetal music implants. You are simply born with a full library of the world's music.

The RIAA shocktroopers and judges will sentence whole populations to death for media rights violations.

You're so behind times with your music only implants RoJo? What about a full library of the world video? and fetal iphone implant? and fetal broadband? and the obligatory fetal world-of-warcraft-client implant? :p

The music implant is standard. The rest are optional...like circumcision. :p

don't even want to know where they put the charging port.
 
You're so behind times with your music only implants RoJo? What about a full library of the world video? and fetal iphone implant? and fetal broadband? and the obligatory fetal world-of-warcraft-client implant? :p

The music implant is standard. The rest are optional...like circumcision. :p

don't even want to know where they put the charging port.
That's what the umbilical cord is for. :angel:

It should also have facial Facebook. :bolian:
 
You're so behind times with your music only implants RoJo? What about a full library of the world video? and fetal iphone implant? and fetal broadband? and the obligatory fetal world-of-warcraft-client implant? :p

The music implant is standard. The rest are optional...like circumcision. :p

Now I'm wondering where these implants are going.

ETA: Gah, too slow.
 
And even if that was true, you're ignoring the fact that part of this change had already been accomplished, with the introduction of CDs.

So your revolution was already over before MP3s were introduced.

CD's certainly represent a midpoint but the revolution, as you put it, was far from over.

A lot of the use I do with my MP3 player, especially on long trips, there is no way of doing on a walkman.... unless you're prepared to swap tapes every song.
Or record them in advance.
You can record a tape with a selection of tracks you haven't decided on yet from your entire library in advance? Neat!

This isn't about being impatient or lazy either... it's just about a different way of accessing information. It's not about instant access, it's about dynamic access.
That's a distinction without a difference.
Not really, no. I'm pretty sure I don't have to explain the difference in terms of information access between having to go through a bunch of files sequentially and being able to access them in any order. Are people lazy for not wanting to go through 20 word documents to get to the one at the end? I think not! How is this any different?

Anyway, I don't even have an iPod... I have a Zune. Feel free to mock me appropriately ;)
 
You're so behind times with your music only implants RoJo? What about a full library of the world video? and fetal iphone implant? and fetal broadband? and the obligatory fetal world-of-warcraft-client implant? :p

The music implant is standard. The rest are optional...like circumcision. :p

Now I'm wondering where these implants are going.

ETA: Gah, too slow.
Well, they're not "implants," per se. They are downloaded directly into the developing brain using the sonogram machine.
 
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