TATV sux!!11!!! vol.47 - the Jonathan Frakes edition
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Funny, this article here says the complete opposite (Marina liked ST09).
http://trekweb.com/articles/2009/10...-Movie-Talks-Future-Projects-and-Events.shtml
http://trekweb.com/articles/2009/10...-Movie-Talks-Future-Projects-and-Events.shtml
number6
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Yep 2006.
She really nailed it, there!!
She also frequently slammed DS9. Why? Because she wasn't asked to be in it.
I keep getting hijacked when I click on the TrekWeb link!
number6
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You're not missing much.I keep getting hijacked when I click on the TrekWeb link!
Marina wasn't asked to be in DS9. She dissed it.
Marina wasn't asked to be in VOY. She dissed it. Then she got to be in it. She loved it.
Marina wasn't asked to be in ENT. She dissed it. Then she got to be in it. She liked it.
Marina wasn't asked to be in ST09. She dissed it.
She saw it and changed her mind.
You see a pattern here?
I recall also that she commented on the picket lines decrying the cancellation of Enterprise - (which she and Frakes saw as they were driving on to the lot to film TATV):You're not missing much.I keep getting hijacked when I click on the TrekWeb link!
Marina wasn't asked to be in DS9. She dissed it.
Marina wasn't asked to be in VOY. She dissed it. Then she got to be in it. She loved it.
Marina wasn't asked to be in ENT. She dissed it. Then she got to be in it. She liked it.
Marina wasn't asked to be in ST09. She dissed it.
She saw it and changed her mind.
You see a pattern here?
Sirtis to a reporter who asked what she thought of this situation: "Where were these fans when our show (meaning TNG) was being cancelled?"
Yep, she's one class act. Don't know if you can fault her though in that - she got a BIG paycheck for TNG; yet she can't act, and hasn't been able to get the same pay for anything else, and I sure she got used to the Lifestyle those 7 years and 4 feature fims brought her.
I think this covers it....
You really don't understand the concept of figurative speech, do you?
You're not missing much.I keep getting hijacked when I click on the TrekWeb link!
Marina wasn't asked to be in DS9. She dissed it.
Marina wasn't asked to be in VOY. She dissed it. Then she got to be in it. She loved it.
Marina wasn't asked to be in ENT. She dissed it. Then she got to be in it. She liked it.
Marina wasn't asked to be in ST09. She dissed it.
She saw it and changed her mind.
You see a pattern here?
Only that the pattern depends on how you interpret it.
Did she get to be in VOY and ENT because she saw and it liked it, or did she "like" it only after she got to be in it?
She wasn't in Trek 2009 and changed her mind, so...
Since actors don't religiously follow the shows. Shatner hasn't seen a complete episode of TNG or even TOS to this day.
To me TATV seemed like one good writer - who only had list of characters and one main - let's say - three sentences plot - and have never seen the show - decided to write it.
It had nothing to do with any relationship, situation, emotion or anything that we got to see in the previous episodes, it seems like it had been written before anything important happened.
Six years passed - none of the characters changed - none of them grew in any way.
We should've got the episode that would honor all we've seen in those 4 seasons, it should have meant something...
But no, all it did - it showed us that - OMG Federation is formed
I agree, it's important, but please it should have been more about the crew. Even the actors seemed like they were uncomfortable filming it.
Only exception - I liked the talk betweet Archer and T'Pol at the very end.
I still needed to hear that speech, if anything...I mean that one that is so historical and they had to learn in high school... and was still skipped - they couldn't give Archer even that...
It had nothing to do with any relationship, situation, emotion or anything that we got to see in the previous episodes, it seems like it had been written before anything important happened.
Six years passed - none of the characters changed - none of them grew in any way.
We should've got the episode that would honor all we've seen in those 4 seasons, it should have meant something...
But no, all it did - it showed us that - OMG Federation is formed
I agree, it's important, but please it should have been more about the crew. Even the actors seemed like they were uncomfortable filming it.
Only exception - I liked the talk betweet Archer and T'Pol at the very end.
I still needed to hear that speech, if anything...I mean that one that is so historical and they had to learn in high school... and was still skipped - they couldn't give Archer even that...
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Agreed. John Billingsley said it himself ("It was as if suddenly somebody from another cosmos dropped in and wrote the script").
The NX-01 crew that we saw in that holodeck program felt nothing like the one we came to know and love, and those characters sure as hell felt nothing like those who went through all that character development in seasons 3 and 4.
I think that the main reason why the fans hate it so much is that *that* just wasn't "our" Enterprise there...
But it sure wasn't TNG either... So what exactly was it? In my mind, it was just one of those Twilight Zone types of episodes in which everything is upside down.
Just imagine...
Add John Billingsly (Phlox) to those who hated TATV. From Trekmovie.com
"It was as if suddenly somebody from another cosmos dropped in and wrote the script, above and beyond the fact that the Enterprise’s story was swallowed up by the framing device. I think people had just gotten used to Manny’s voice. I missed it in the final episode. Frankly, it should have been a two-parter. Our storyline needed to wind up…
I’m all over the map on this one because I have a lot of different feelings about it. My problem with the final episode, ultimately, was that by jumping ahead however many years we jumped ahead, it was as if anything we did in the third and fourth seasons had no real weight. It seemed like the third and fourth seasons were being dismissed, which I’m sure was not the intention, but that was one of the things that bothered me. "
"It was as if suddenly somebody from another cosmos dropped in and wrote the script, above and beyond the fact that the Enterprise’s story was swallowed up by the framing device. I think people had just gotten used to Manny’s voice. I missed it in the final episode. Frankly, it should have been a two-parter. Our storyline needed to wind up…
I’m all over the map on this one because I have a lot of different feelings about it. My problem with the final episode, ultimately, was that by jumping ahead however many years we jumped ahead, it was as if anything we did in the third and fourth seasons had no real weight. It seemed like the third and fourth seasons were being dismissed, which I’m sure was not the intention, but that was one of the things that bothered me. "
I've always rolled my eyes a bit when people talk about their own "personal canon" and that they choose to ignore certain episodes.
But with TATV, well, I can understand their feelings and I've developed my own personal canon as well. TATV just doesn't exist for me. It was so utterly abysmal on so many levels. I just re-watched most of the series and stopped with "Terra Prime".
Sure, Enterprise was the least successful series of the franchise but the characters deserved better and the cast sure as hell did.
But with TATV, well, I can understand their feelings and I've developed my own personal canon as well. TATV just doesn't exist for me. It was so utterly abysmal on so many levels. I just re-watched most of the series and stopped with "Terra Prime".
Sure, Enterprise was the least successful series of the franchise but the characters deserved better and the cast sure as hell did.
^ The good thing about TATV is that you don't need to strike it out from canon (like, say, Threshold), you just need to look at the parts with the ENT crew as a historically incorrect 24th century holodeck simulation. 
... Which, as a matter of fact, is exactly what ENT novels did.
... Which, as a matter of fact, is exactly what ENT novels did.
Hey, I liked ST the do over. I'm saying a time-traveling Romulan miner out to get Spock was weak. I think there are other weak points, but that's neither here nor there.
I think the scene may have been written poorly, but I don't think Trinneer helped any.
The Ent novels handled the sim beautifully? I really disagree. I read the first one and thought the writer didn't know the characters very well, especially my favorites. Though, I got the impression he liked Trip.