• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

TAS, I'm ready for a re-animating

RAMA

Admiral
Admiral
I've always been fairly comfortable with TAS's best stories, ok with the animation on its own level. But as part of introducing ST in general to my stepdaughter, I kind of left TAS out. She's fairly used to modern animation and might find TAS too simple. I was watching "Yesteryear" and the look of it confirmed for me that its style is finally 35 years too old, and I am totally ready to see it re-animated with cgi. I think in terms of business, CBS/Paramount could do worse than offer the old animated series on DVD or Blu-ray, and it could establish a test market for a new animated series.

RAMA
 
I've always been fairly comfortable with TAS's best stories, ok with the animation on its own level. But as part of introducing ST in general to my stepdaughter, I kind of left TAS out. She's fairly used to modern animation and might find TAS too simple. I was watching "Yesteryear" and the look of it confirmed for me that its style is finally 35 years too old, and I am totally ready to see it re-animated with cgi. I think in terms of business, CBS/Paramount could do worse than offer the old animated series on DVD or Blu-ray, and it could establish a test market for a new animated series.

RAMA

I like this idea, and I totally agree. I tried watching TAS with my son, who is 4, and the animation is hard for him to get into. It is just remotely better sometimes than Scooby-doo...

Re-animating would be a great idea...count me voting yes!!!

Rob
Scorpio
 
IIRC, a year or so back, one member here provided a link to a CGI-reimagining of a scene or two from TAS using the original soundtrack.

It was just a vanity project and not anything like the TOS-R authorized project, but it was pretty nicely done and made you think it was certainly possible for them to make such a thing happen, given the interest and finances were there at CBS/Paramount TV.
 
IIRC, a year or so back, one member here provided a link to a CGI-reimagining of a scene or two from TAS using the original soundtrack.

It was just a vanity project and not anything like the TOS-R authorized project, but it was pretty nicely done and made you think it was certainly possible for them to make such a thing happen, given the interest and finances were there at CBS/Paramount TV.

Hopefully, who ever posted it back then, will see this thread. I'd like to see this CGI limited version.

Rob
 
IIRC, a year or so back, one member here provided a link to a CGI-reimagining of a scene or two from TAS using the original soundtrack.

It was just a vanity project and not anything like the TOS-R authorized project, but it was pretty nicely done and made you think it was certainly possible for them to make such a thing happen, given the interest and finances were there at CBS/Paramount TV.

Hopefully, who ever posted it back then, will see this thread. I'd like to see this CGI limited version.

Rob

I know there is a fan project to do it but I never saw any finished video! I'm assuming its dead.
 
I like what you said at the top. Paramount should do it. And with all the seasons of TREK(s) out, and all the movies, ect, you would think they'd at least try it once (re-animation) and see if there was a market for it....

Heck, I think they should do a new animated series that was post-nemesis. I thought the problem with having two Star Trek series on at the same time was that they took place..at the same time. To avoid blandness they should have had one show taking place in TNG time, the other at some other time...

So an animated series taking place post-nemesis would be much different in style, and content, than the current filming movie series of TOS era...

Rob
Scorpio
 
there were rumors (and production work) of a new animated series about two years ago. it was post Nemesis.
 
Oh, gods no. No CGI 3D animation. We've got enough shows like that. And it would be too radical a departure from the style of the original, and IMHO an insult to the creators of the original show. Whatever budgetary and schedule limitations they were forced to work under, the Filmation animators did excellent work by the standards of their time, particularly in terms of design. Filmation's background paintings were widely regarded as the finest in the business, and their cel art, however static and repetitive, was still much cleaner-lined and prettier to look at than the sloppy work Hanna-Barbera was doing at the time. Those design elements gave Filmation's shows a distinctive trademark look that deserves to be kept intact, just as much as the style and design aspects of the original TOS visual effects shots were honored and preserved in the TOS Remastered project. Let's not throw the baby (the good art) out with the bathwater (the limited animation).

If TAS were to be re-animated, it should be in 2D, remaining true to the basic look and feel of the originals, just with more fluidity and variety to the animation. Something that marries the design aesthetic of Filmation with the quality of animation of, say, Avatar or a Timmverse show. It should look like the TAS that Filmation would've made if they'd had unlimited time and money to make it and access to modern digital editing and compositing methods. (For those who don't know, even 2D animation is done mostly on computers these days; the initial animation drawings are still done by hand, but rather than being inked and painted on cels, they're scanned, digitally colored, and composited with digitally painted or 3D-animated backgrounds.)
 
I often see people discussing "animation" when they're really referring to style an design. The quality of the animation is how it moves, not what it looks like. Filmation's line style is clean, sure, but their animation is pretty crap even for TV of the time, and their color choice (thanks Lou) is really poor in a lot of cases. I have a nostalic fondness for the show, but that doesn't stop me from recognizing its flaws.

It would be interesting if someone could find isolated audio tracks of the actors and totally re-do the show, but I really don't see the point in aping Filmation's style. Then again, I'd hate another robotic GI take or yet another wanna-be anime show. I'm with Jon Kricfalusi on this: most animation today is stylized for its own sake, not in service of the show, and most of what passes for design is style without function.
 
I often see people discussing "animation" when they're really referring to style an design. The quality of the animation is how it moves, not what it looks like. Filmation's line style is clean, sure, but their animation is pretty crap even for TV of the time, and their color choice (thanks Lou) is really poor in a lot of cases. I have a nostalic fondness for the show, but that doesn't stop me from recognizing its flaws.

The color choices were made by director Hal Sutherland, who was colorblind. It wasn't Lou Scheimer's doing.

And sure, I'm not saying it didn't have flaws, but I'm saying you shouldn't reject the good along with the bad. And I'm saying that if a re-animation were to be done, I'd rather see it done in 2D animation that paid tribute to the good aspects of Filmation's art design, rather than some generic, jerky 3D animation. I think it's ridiculous the way some people assume that 3D animation is supposed to "replace" 2D -- that's like expecting sculpture to replace painting. That's silly. They're two different artistic styles, each with its own value. And there's still plenty of superb work being done in 2D animation on television, even if movies have gotten too caught up in the 3D fad.

It would be interesting if someone could find isolated audio tracks of the actors and totally re-do the show

Except that the actors' voice tracks were often the worst things about the episodes. They were almost literally phoning in their parts, recording their lines from whatever studio was convenient and mailing them in, often not getting any direction to speak of, and so the performances -- especially from the three leads -- were dull and passionless. Anyone who thinks Shatner always overacts would be cured of that upon listening to thirty seconds of his TAS work.

Besides, if you're suggesting replacing Ray Ellis and Norm Prescott's orchestral music with some generic modern synthesized stuff, I consider that blasphemy. I wouldn't mind if a new TAS drew more widely from Filmation's later music library, maybe dropping in some cues from Space Academy and Flash Gordon, say, to cut down on the repetition. But that music was the soundtrack of my childhood and is an inseparable part of what makes TAS what it is.

, but I really don't see the point in aping Filmation's style.

Because it looked good. I thought you were the one advising against confusing design and animation. Filmation's animation was weak, especially on this show given the insanely tight deadline they had to work under, but their design work was top-notch. And I never said anything about "aping" -- don't replace my points with straw men. I said to pay homage to their design style while employing fuller animation. In the same way that the TOS Remastered team paid homage to the design and cinematography of the original TOS effects shots and matte paintings while updating them with modern technology.

I'm with Jon Kricfalusi on this: most animation today is stylized for its own sake, not in service of the show, and most of what passes for design is style without function.

I don't know what that has to do with a discussion about Filmation. Their designs weren't especially stylized, just simplified for efficiency. Their visual style was straightforward and unaffected; their adventure shows didn't employ caricature but favored naturalistic character designs. It was about as functional a style as you can possibly get.
 
Last edited:
And sure, I'm not saying it didn't have flaws, but I'm saying you shouldn't reject the good along with the bad.

Well I agree....they excelled at design elements but not in animation. Certain cities, vehicles, perspectives, aliens, etc are all quite good. Its just the execution that was poor. I therefore would encourage any new interpretation to include elements of the old.

RAMA
 
Why are we giving a crap whether a CGI version of TAS (which I would love to see) would be true to the original TAS?

If there's any original it should be true to, it's the original live action series! Isn't that the point? And a CGI series could copy the look of TOS almost exactly. It would be like a 4th and 5th season of the original show. Why is that a bad thing?
 
Why are we giving a crap whether a CGI version of TAS (which I would love to see) would be true to the original TAS?

If there's any original it should be true to, it's the original live action series! Isn't that the point? And a CGI series could copy the look of TOS almost exactly. It would be like a 4th and 5th season of the original show. Why is that a bad thing?

That's like asking why an artist restoring a painting would want to try to recreate the artist's original style rather than just throwing the painting away and taking a photograph that resembles it. Animation is not just a crude substitute for live-action, it's a distinct artistic medium in its own right. TAS was its own entity -- not just an attempt to copy TOS, but an attempt to make a show that captured the essence of TOS while bringing something new to it, something that only animation could provide.

Besides, there are a lot of us who are fans of TAS, who enjoy and value what Filmation created. There are a lot of us who are fans of Filmation's whole body of work, who grew up with it and are very attached to it. Are you saying that people who love TOS are worthy of consideration but those of us who love TAS should be slapped in the face by having the thing we care about rejected and replaced? How is that remotely fair? And how is that anything but grossly insulting to the professionals who put their hard work and creativity into making TAS what it was?
 
Besides, there are a lot of us who are fans of TAS, who enjoy and value what Filmation created. There are a lot of us who are fans of Filmation's whole body of work, who grew up with it and are very attached to it. Are you saying that people who love TOS are worthy of consideration but those of us who love TAS should be slapped in the face by having the thing we care about rejected and replaced? How is that remotely fair? And how is that anything but grossly insulting to the professionals who put their hard work and creativity into making TAS what it was?

I agree. Paramount's gross insults should be confined to the people who made the visual effects of the original series. :p
 
Why are we giving a crap whether a CGI version of TAS (which I would love to see) would be true to the original TAS?

If there's any original it should be true to, it's the original live action series! Isn't that the point? And a CGI series could copy the look of TOS almost exactly. It would be like a 4th and 5th season of the original show. Why is that a bad thing?

That's like asking why an artist restoring a painting would want to try to recreate the artist's original style rather than just throwing the painting away and taking a photograph that resembles it. Animation is not just a crude substitute for live-action, it's a distinct artistic medium in its own right. TAS was its own entity -- not just an attempt to copy TOS, but an attempt to make a show that captured the essence of TOS while bringing something new to it, something that only animation could provide.

Besides, there are a lot of us who are fans of TAS, who enjoy and value what Filmation created. There are a lot of us who are fans of Filmation's whole body of work, who grew up with it and are very attached to it. Are you saying that people who love TOS are worthy of consideration but those of us who love TAS should be slapped in the face by having the thing we care about rejected and replaced? How is that remotely fair? And how is that anything but grossly insulting to the professionals who put their hard work and creativity into making TAS what it was?
By this line of reasoning, all future art should be stopped. No new creativity should be allowed.
Did painters stop painting after the Mona Lisa? By your line of reasoning they should have stopped because no one should ever attempt to do any better. No Monet, no Picasso, no Van Gogh nor any other great art.
I like TAS, but many elements could stand improvement. It was good in its time, however technology and artistry have been greatly improved since the 1970s... and to be honest even for its era the animation wasn't the best available.
I would love to see either CGI or anime Star Trek, but I would NOT constrain it to the poor animation of the TAS era. Frankly it wouldn't sell and Star Trek is still a franchise for profit.
 
I admit, I'm hardly a fan of TAS. I view it as cheap 70's junk. (Oh, look, the Enterprise is flying sideways! People's uniform colors change at random! How fun! How authentic! :lol: )

And I'm also very much a revisionist. I fully support any and all Special Editions, remasterings, etc. that I can get. TOS-R, Star Wars SE, etc. Bring it on! :techman:

As for TAS...I've always wanted a full-out CGI remake (similar to the new Captain Scarlet. Or are you nostalgic for the days of silly little marionettes too? :p ) and this is not likely to change. I'm curious as to how close to the look of TOS they could get.
 
Leonard Nimoy's voice is outdated. It should be replaced in every TOS episode, TAS episode and movie by the voice of Bobcat Goldthwait.
 
Leonard Nimoy's voice is outdated. It should be replaced in every TOS episode, TAS episode and movie by the voice of Bobcat Goldthwait.

Or they could have the Trek XI crowd do new voices. :)

That's an idea too...have a TAS-R be in the style of that film...
 
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top