Some might say "The Terminal" was the low-point. That or :"War of the Worlds" yet I like both movies except for the teenage being alive at the end of "War of the Worlds." Talk about a cheap and fake happy ending to force on the movie.
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Some might say "The Terminal" was the low-point. That or :"War of the Worlds" yet I like both movies except for the teenage being alive at the end of "War of the Worlds." Talk about a cheap and fake happy ending to force on the movie.
Jason
The Terminal is still one of my favorite movies. And I'm still looking forward to RP1, though not 100% sold on the visual style (which is obviously an important element).
wow I been watching SQ: DSV for first time (well more skimming through it it so bad) and literally just saw that ep the other night first time and was shocked shatner turned up in SQ! (bet at the time when trekkies heard he would guest star from the pages of starlog or wherever everyone thought hed be another sub commander to go up against Scheider). Funny that Shatner turned up in a Trek rip off series but not an actual Trek series (Enterprise). Maybe same will happen again with The Orville.
Spielberg directing a Trek movie is an unthinkable notion of course. one that could never ever happen.... but then wasn't Tarantino equally unthinkable just a short while ago? (plus pretty sure Spielberg was approached to direct TMP way back..he had some input on ST09...and hes yet to direct an actual space set SF movie.. and maybe hes a big fan of TOS like QT... so.. who knows..)
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Have you got to season 2 as of yet? It gets really bad in season 2. If I recall I think it improves though in season 3 though you get a new Captain.
Jason
yes just the first few eps of season 2 which are bad .also been reading about SQ and how Schieider wanted out as it deteriorated into SF silliness (much like Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea did) no doubt in an attempt to keep up with Trek, XFiles etc. Actually its kind of unbelievable that Scheider signed up as he was a star of several iconic movies of the 70s and 80s and now here he is in like a TNG spin off almost. SS no doubt got him involved in a sort of homage role to his past work - Jaws, 2010 (remember the Dolphin in that?). in hindsight hed have probably been better off headlining a star trek series (DS9 or Voyager) than SQ. In fact I read a quote from him when he was critical of the direction it was going where he said something similar. it probably looked like a decent bet at first.. a Spielberg exec produced adventure series with various Spielbergian traits with an air of nautical realism (in season 1) with 'groundbreaking' CG FX (developed from Jurassic Park/Abyss but severely lacking here no doubt due to the budget) and the pilot helmed by the Empire Strikes Back director and with major gueststars appearing later like Shatner, Chuck Heston, and even Mark Hamill ( attracted by the Spielberg connection over other SF series?). But really it was just a blatant TNG rip off (as TNG had been such a huge success and really brought back the SF TV genre in a big way) with similar characters (the genius kid/Wesley, the female Dr with a thing for the captain/Dr Crusher, Bridger/Picard & elements of movieKirk, Darwin/Data, 2nd in command/Riker & Decker who Riker was based on etc and then in season 2 you got an empath! and weird Khan type superhumans? ).
But when Shatner shares screen with Scheider there was an element of 'wow Admiral Kirk and Chief Brody or Dr Heywood Floyd or the Blue Thunder dude' (who also battled Soran) but also kind of sad as was a missed opportunity it wasn't in a Trek movie with Scheider as an Starfleet Admiral or the like
I think it started off wanting to be even more than a TNG type of show. I remember they had Bob Ballard at the end of each episode in season 1 and sort of give people some real life science info about the ocean and ocean creatures. Plus you had several actors who were middle aged and only character that you could say was sort of trying to be a sexy character to appeal to teenagers but she wasn't even really that type of character. She was more than just Troi. I don't think might have one male character that also was sort of like that.
Jason
It really isn't that bad. I still enjoy season 1.
Simon Pegg Has Heard Quentin Tarantino’s Star Trek Movie Idea, Isn’t Sure It’s R-rated
take this one as another actor talking about something he doesn't really know anything about. i think the part that's interesting here is the call from JJ to simon pegg about the movie. if it's not a kelvin timeline film, or at least one that involves the cast, why talk to the cast about it?
take this one as another actor talking about something he doesn't really know anything about. i think the part that's interesting here is the call from JJ to simon pegg about the movie. if it's not a kelvin timeline film, or at least one that involves the cast, why talk to the cast about it?
So long as Tarantino shoots down Abrams' obsession with "mystery boxes", it might be okay.
JJ is friends with most of the people from this cast in and outside trek's set so he stays in touch with them (e.g., when Zoe had her baby twins he was one of the first to see pictures of them) even when they aren't filming, so yeah I don't find it hard to believe he emailed them and was like 'guess who proposed us an idea for a movie'. Him, Simon and Zoe also were, relatively recently, together at the memorial they made for Anton.
But aside from telling us he stays in touch with the cast (which is pretty nice and one reason, I think, they'd love to work with him as a director again), they don't really know anything sure and probably JJ himself is only allowed to share initial rumors with them.
I don't approve Tarantino's possible involvement but seeing the positive here: we at least get hints that they ARE still thinking about making more movies with this cast.
But aside from telling us he stays in touch with the cast (which is pretty nice and one reason, I think, they'd love to work with him as a director again), they don't really know anything sure and probably JJ himself is only allowed to share initial rumors with them.
I don't approve Tarantino's possible involvement but seeing the positive here: we at least get hints that they ARE still thinking about making more movies with this cast.
„Mystery Boxes“?
You mean like the suit case in Pulp Fiction?
The suitcase was a McGuffin, an object unimportant to the narrative that drives the story forward in the beginning that the characters care about, but nothing else.
The Abrams' Mystery Box is literal sequel bait to entice the audience to keep watching to figure it out. It's exactly what he did on Lost, only he never thinks out satisfying resolutions to them.
Pulp Fiction never got a sequel, nor did we ever find out what was in the suitcase. It didn't matter. It was only a plot device, nor the reason we kept watching.
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Pegg talks more about beyond and the rumors about Tarantino.
http://www.geekexchange.com/news/simon-pegg-on-star-trek-beyond-those-quentin-tarantino-rumors/
Promotion was bad but honestly, I dunno what those guys were supposed to do more than they did. For the most part, they still promoted the movie exactly for what it was and, frankly, Pegg&co didn't give them enough exciting material to use, to begin with. Their interviews too were lacking in a lot of aspects, too repetitive and fan pandering.. Lin especially, as the director, was boring and seemed uninterested. He was a departure, for me, from JJ's commentaries and his charisma.
Maybe Pegg thinks he did good promotion by constantly hinting that the movie was, essentially, made to placate tos fans with nostalgia, ignored stid and went backwards about some aspects that defined JJ's trek so far (the dynamics, certain plot elements they didn't continue or use like many expected) ..but maybe it actually backfired.
I guess they will never get it and it's a problem for me because if you blame it all on promotion only, and don't even TRY to think about which aspects of your movies maybe didn't work, and thus what could be improved the next time, there is no hope then. At least JJ is critical and he admits what were the weak things of his movies.
They just really need to understand that a lot of people liked JJ's movies and if you make a continuation it's OK to try to get new people on board, but it isn't so wise to alienate those who are fans of this trek since 2009 and had some reasonable expectations based on what JJ had created first. You can't replicate the success of JJ's movies by ignoring the very audience that made them successful. This will likely be still valid if they do more movies.
As for the rest, some sites assume that the script he mentions they had ( before Tarantino's rumors) was written by him and Jung, but he didn't say that and he most likely, in fact, is referring to the script that included George Kirk and that JJ was talking about before beyond's release; the story written by the writers who originally worked with Orci on trek 3. Him and Jung never worked on a fourth movie script, at least that's what Jung said some time ago.
http://www.geekexchange.com/news/simon-pegg-on-star-trek-beyond-those-quentin-tarantino-rumors/
“I think it was poorly marketed, to be honest,” he offers an explanation that probably goes a long way when one considers that none of the trailers mentioned Star Trek‘s 50th Anniversary, and that the use of the Beastie Boys’ “Sabotage” as the backdrop of the first trailer — which heralded all action, and little character — was an instant turn-off. “If you look at a film like Suicide Squad, that was around for such a long time before it finally came out and people were so aware of it. Whereas with Star Trek Beyond, it was left too late before they started their marketing push. It still did great business, but it was disappointing compared to Into Darkness.” Based on the formula of a film grossing twice its production budget to break even, its $343 million gross against its $185 budget didn’t fare well at all for the future.
He has a point but blaming beyond's failure on bad promotion only is lame and reductive, and not taking responsibility for your story maybe not being what a lot of reboot fans and general audience had expected to see. It isn't taking responsibility over the fact that good reviews still didn't make a lot of the audience want to watch it enough, and even those who watched it and liked it aren't buying the dvds and digital copies like they did for the first two. Even a good review can deliver the opposite result and, paradoxically, create bad promotion sometimes because what some fans were liking about the movie might not necessarily coincide with what other fans and general audience wants to see or finds interesting and exciting. In fact, I'm an example of that because a lot of the stuff I read in some early reviews that were positive for those fans were actually discouraging and boring to me.
Promotion was bad but honestly, I dunno what those guys were supposed to do more than they did. For the most part, they still promoted the movie exactly for what it was and, frankly, Pegg&co didn't give them enough exciting material to use, to begin with. Their interviews too were lacking in a lot of aspects, too repetitive and fan pandering.. Lin especially, as the director, was boring and seemed uninterested. He was a departure, for me, from JJ's commentaries and his charisma.
Maybe Pegg thinks he did good promotion by constantly hinting that the movie was, essentially, made to placate tos fans with nostalgia, ignored stid and went backwards about some aspects that defined JJ's trek so far (the dynamics, certain plot elements they didn't continue or use like many expected) ..but maybe it actually backfired.
I guess they will never get it and it's a problem for me because if you blame it all on promotion only, and don't even TRY to think about which aspects of your movies maybe didn't work, and thus what could be improved the next time, there is no hope then. At least JJ is critical and he admits what were the weak things of his movies.
They just really need to understand that a lot of people liked JJ's movies and if you make a continuation it's OK to try to get new people on board, but it isn't so wise to alienate those who are fans of this trek since 2009 and had some reasonable expectations based on what JJ had created first. You can't replicate the success of JJ's movies by ignoring the very audience that made them successful. This will likely be still valid if they do more movies.
As for the rest, some sites assume that the script he mentions they had ( before Tarantino's rumors) was written by him and Jung, but he didn't say that and he most likely, in fact, is referring to the script that included George Kirk and that JJ was talking about before beyond's release; the story written by the writers who originally worked with Orci on trek 3. Him and Jung never worked on a fourth movie script, at least that's what Jung said some time ago.
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" I think it might take something like him to restart it." - Pegg on Tarantino. Sounds like Trek 4 is on very iffy ground.
It's been on iffy ground since the box office numbers started rolling in.
Pure guesstimate:
But I think there are currently some people writing on a possible Trek 4 with the old crew - although they didn't seem to have it nailed down, more as a "back-up" plan, since Paramount doesn't really have any big alternatives for blockbuster franchises in the pipeline (even Transformers doesn't seem to be the moneymaker it was anymore, and they dropped the newest film from their release schedule).
And at the same time, writers are working on Tarantinos script. I doubt REALLY HARD that Tarantinos idea would involve the JJ Abrams era Trek character crew. I'm guessing it would be something more standing on it's own feet.
Who would be in it instead if not Pine & Quinto etc?
Depends on what's Tarantinos concept for the movie is.
Tarantino is not the guy to make a by-the-numbers sequel. Tarantino is the guy who comes up with his own cast of characters and premise. It's probably going to be either completely stand-alone, or the "first" movie for a new series of Trek movies.
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