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While I enjoyed the Ventress storyline very much, the Cad Bane origin story was Fucking Amazing.
I actually preferred the Ventress arc, but Bane's was good too.
Ventress's resurrection was a bit underwhelming, I was for something more complex than Mother Talzin told her she could live again.
The relationship they built up between her and Lyco was pretty fun, I hope we haven't seen of them. I loved the duel between them and the Inquisitor. It was nice to get another story dealing with The Path after Obi-Wan Kenobi, and it was a nice to learn that it was started up Quinlan Vos. I'm curious if we're ever going to learn if Luke ever found out about them, or what became of Vos beyond that?
It was nice to get some backstory for Cad Bane. The whole arc was kind of fun take on a western revenge story. I was disappointed he actually did kill Niro, I was really hoping something happen that meant they both got to survive. So was Isacc Bane's son then?
Ventress's resurrection was a bit underwhelming, I was for something more complex than Mother Talzin told her she could live again.
The relationship they built up between her and Lyco was pretty fun, I hope we haven't seen of them. I loved the duel between them and the Inquisitor. It was nice to get another story dealing with The Path after Obi-Wan Kenobi, and it was a nice to learn that it was started up Quinlan Vos. I'm curious if we're ever going to learn if Luke ever found out about them, or what became of Vos beyond that?
It was nice to get some backstory for Cad Bane. The whole arc was kind of fun take on a western revenge story. I was disappointed he actually did kill Niro, I was really hoping something happen that meant they both got to survive. So was Isacc Bane's son then?
This was pretty bad. The Ventress resurrection was everything I feared it would be once that Bad Batch episode came out. It's like Filoni said **** it and resurrected her with no real explanation and "something something, Nightsister pool, ok let's move on".
The Nightsisters are legit more powerful than the Sith now. Palpatine's already controversial resurrection in Rise of Skywalker, when he could only come back hooked up on machines and gizmos, has now been outdone (Ventress still has her Force abilities too, also undermining the whole plot of Bad Batch about trying to clone/resurrect people with the M-count intact).
The Sith will canonically be chasing Grogu around 30 years later despite Ventress doing everything Palpatine hopes for.
It's a mess. It was already bad enough with Maul but they just keep pushing the resurrection envelope and now they're getting sloppy.
The Nightsisters are legit more powerful than the Sith now. Palpatine's already controversial resurrection in Rise of Skywalker, when he could only come back hooked up on machines and gizmos, has now been outdone (Ventress still has her Force abilities too, also undermining the whole plot of Bad Batch about trying to clone/resurrect people with the M-count intact).
The Sith will canonically be chasing Grogu around 30 years later despite Ventress doing everything Palpatine hopes for.
It's a mess. It was already bad enough with Maul but they just keep pushing the resurrection envelope and now they're getting sloppy.
I found it very predictable.
The Nightsisters have been necromancers from the beginning (or at least since their canon Clone Wars debut. This is not new. It's a new application, sure. But the sisters' knowledge of the ways of death and rebirth are built into their very premise.
By a method Palpatine couldn't possibly use, ever. While the actual mechanism of Ventress' resurrection is handwaved, the dialogue from Talzin makes clear it was only possible because Vos loved her, and she loved him in return.
Even if Palps knew of the method, it's utterly beyond him. And that's presuming that Ventress wasn't also aided by Talzin's magick (her power, even in death, is again not new). Which would, again, put the method completely beyond Palpatine's grasp.
Again, all this is making the Nightsisters more powerful than the Sith. That's a pretty severe lore deviation that George certainly never intended, and undermines the mythology in a way even Legends never did.
If Filoni just HAD to resurrect Ventress, they should've gone the "Starkiller" route from Legends' Force Unleashed, where the Sith create a clone that believes it's the original, and Palpatine will be using Ventress as a trial run for his own resurrection in the future. That means that Ventress' body will eventually decay or something like that and we'd at least get a better story than whatever it is we got here and in Bad Batch.
If Filoni just HAD to resurrect Ventress, they should've gone the "Starkiller" route from Legends' Force Unleashed, where the Sith create a clone that believes it's the original, and Palpatine will be using Ventress as a trial run for his own resurrection in the future. That means that Ventress' body will eventually decay or something like that and we'd at least get a better story than whatever it is we got here and in Bad Batch.
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We've seen a lot of Nightsister undead. Marrok seemed to be held together by Nightsister magic as well and he could talk unlike the undead witches and zombietroopers.
It seems like Ventress is being kept alive by a combination of magic and Quinlan's powers like the two force abilities intersected. It does raise the question of why can't she reunite with Quinlan and what will happen to her if she does?
Probably would have made more sense to ignore the book like they largely ignored the finer points of the Ahsoka novel and I think that marshal Cobb something was retconned slightly from his novel appearance.
It seems like Ventress is being kept alive by a combination of magic and Quinlan's powers like the two force abilities intersected. It does raise the question of why can't she reunite with Quinlan and what will happen to her if she does?
Probably would have made more sense to ignore the book like they largely ignored the finer points of the Ahsoka novel and I think that marshal Cobb something was retconned slightly from his novel appearance.
The Nightsisters have/use one power
Jedi/Sith have/use another power.
One is not more than the other. They are just … different.
You like the other posters who replied to me are missing the point. We can go on all day about how this new Nightsister magic doesn't technically violate anything in the Disney canon. I'm pretty sure that's what the Into Darkness writers did when confronted about the absurdity of Khan's resurrecting blood after that movie came out. Like said blood, it's still a terrible storytelling choice that gives a quick and easy escape from a character's death (Spock took a whole movie and a lot of Genesis gobbledygook to resurrect in Trek, while Vader spent a whole movie trying to cheat death and still couldn't do it. Ventress does it within minutes of an already short cartoon). At the end of the day, it's bad writing period.
Like how Khan's blood is quietly swept under the rug afterwards (no one mentions it even as far forward as the 32nd century in Discovery, after the Temporal Wars revealed info on the Kelvin timeline), I'm pretty sure LFL will hastily try to have us forget about Nightsister resurrecting pools considering they have decades of in-universe ground to cover where Palpatine again needs to take slow, tedious steps to try to cheat death.
Oh, and DC/WB should totally complain about LFL ripping off their Lazarus pits. They didn't even bother to change the color.
I agree resurrecting characters is boring, but that isn’t what your post seemed to be arguing. I took your post to mean you think the writers are writing the Nightsisters as being more powerful than Sith/Jedi. I only said they are different powers. I was not defending resurrection plot lines/sotry lines.
I knew where it was headed, but only because of the clues they dropped.
A process that required two weeks of intravenous treatments and ensuring the subject was in stasis immediately post death seems to be hardly a miracle cure. The transporter is better.
M'Benga: Hey can I, uh, use the transporter buffer again? I won't need it anymore after I get some, uh, blood from the late 20th or early 21st centuries. So who represents the Soong family these days anyway?
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Neat little detail I just came across; Cort, the ticket seller person in the first episode was voiced by Tudi Roche, who also voice Mika Grey in 'Resistance'. This feels like a very deliberate casting decision!
For those that don't know; Mika Grey was at one point going to be Asajj Ventress (at Filloni's suggestion), alive, well and still cranky 60 years later! The reason they didn't go through with it, is because having Asajj in 'Resistance' would just take over the whole story; it's too big a thing to just drop in there without explanation. They at least gave Mika some face ink similar to Ventress's, so she may still have some connection to the Nightsisters. Indeed, she's probably the prime candidate for Yenna, the lost Nightsister child from the short story "Bug" by E. Anne Convery (aka: Mrs Dave Filloni), from the 'The Clone Wars: Stories of Light and Dark' anthology book.
So yeah, the idea that Ventress returned to life after the events of 'Dark Diciple' predates bith this show and her appearance in 'The Bad Batch' by quite a bit. Indeed, if one reads between the lines of the actual text of that final scene, it looks like the door was deliberatly left open for this eventuality.
For those that don't know; Mika Grey was at one point going to be Asajj Ventress (at Filloni's suggestion), alive, well and still cranky 60 years later! The reason they didn't go through with it, is because having Asajj in 'Resistance' would just take over the whole story; it's too big a thing to just drop in there without explanation. They at least gave Mika some face ink similar to Ventress's, so she may still have some connection to the Nightsisters. Indeed, she's probably the prime candidate for Yenna, the lost Nightsister child from the short story "Bug" by E. Anne Convery (aka: Mrs Dave Filloni), from the 'The Clone Wars: Stories of Light and Dark' anthology book.
So yeah, the idea that Ventress returned to life after the events of 'Dark Diciple' predates bith this show and her appearance in 'The Bad Batch' by quite a bit. Indeed, if one reads between the lines of the actual text of that final scene, it looks like the door was deliberatly left open for this eventuality.
Given this story seems to be drawing from parables and folk/fairytales; probably nothing good. Most likely, if they meet, one or both of them may die. Probably the former and probably Vos, in accordance with the principles of narrativium. If I had to guess I'd say both their love and his sense of loss are what powered the spell . . . that and a few Olympic swimming pools worth of the waters of life. So breaking one thread or the other will likely either send her back to the netherworld, or consume his life force all at once.
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The guy took Maul without asking. I find it hard to believe he didn't take a bottle of Lazarus pit fluid back home for Darth Plagueis (the guy who, you know, researches cheating death) to analyze.
They don't travel well.
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