The could be a case that Darth Sidious's experimental attempt to access the World Between Worlds near the end of Rebels involved him attempting to cast spells like the Nightsisters use; he failed to make it work.
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Honestly they probably could've had a situation where Ventress was pulled out of the World Between Worlds before her death in Dark Disciple and at some point she has to go back in time to die. It would be a "resurrection" method already in line with what was established in Rebels.
Man, time travel and now full resurrection after a chat with some Nightsister ghosts in a Lazarus pit. And then people will go back to trashing Legends even though it never had anything as bad as this.
Palpatine knew the men of Dothamir were superior warriors and could be trained to use the force. This is why he told Dooku to get a warrior from there to replace Ventress. That doesn’t mean he knew about anything else.
We know from Son of Dathomir that in their younger years Talzin and Sheev had a close relationship (implied but never outright stated to be romantic) and that Sheev supposedly tricked her with talk of combining Sith and Nightsister practices to create a new type of dark side usage. Then Sheev Palpatine ran off with Talzin's son Maul and left Talzin high and dry. It seems unlikely that Palpatine would do this without learning everything he could about what Talzin knew first, but then again this IS the guy who possibly killed his master without figuring out how said master cheated death so who knows.
Ok. I never read that book/comic, so you’re probably correct. Still, some people here on Earth think they can perform magic. I can’t, most people can’t. So, we assume no one can. Which is correct? Perhaps since Palpatine couldn’t use/manipulate Nightsisters magic, perhaps he thought it was hokum.
I don't seem to be able to perform magic either.
I also can't levitate stones or my lightsaber*, even when I'm upside down.
* - I don't even have a lightsaber.
Fantasy, how does it work?
He said in ROTS that he studied all aspects of the Force. Furthermore I doubt he thought it was hokum considering the lengths he went through to ensure Talzin was dead in Son of Dathomir.
I don't think we've ever seen any indication that Palpatine can't use Nightsister magic. So far we've seen what looks like teleportation (revealed to just be some kind of cloaking while they run off as Sol found out in the Acolyte), resurrecting the dead as zombies (which is basically advanced telekinesis on corpses), curing Maul's insanity (probably a general Jedi healing practice to be honest), and giving people a steroid level power up (what happened to Savage, although this seemingly came with downsides as Savage became a brute who slaughtered Feral and couldn't follow orders to the point he killed Katuunko and washed out as Dooku's student).
We've never seen a full resurrection from death before as we see with Ventress. Why was no one taking Nightsister bodies into these Lazarus pits during Grievous' slaughter? Why did Maul not do so in Son of Dathomir (especially after Talzin was killed in said comic)? Why does no one mention to Morgan Elsbeth in Tales of the Empire about the possiblity of resurrecting her family if Nightsister Lazarus pits were already a thing? Are these Lazarus pits only on Dathomir? Because some Nightsister heavy hitters showed up in Ahsoka and no one talks about putting Morgan Elsbeth's corpse into one either there.
For that matter, Morgan Elsbeth showed that Nightsisters can revert to a human skin color. Why does Ventress not do so if she's in hiding? In fact, with each Nightsister work that comes out, the more contradictions we get.
A thought. Does the fact Lyco wasn't with Ventress when she showed up on Bad Batch mean anything?
The Bad Batch likely happened before the majority of these episodes. Ventress resurrects. She runs off to do the things in Bad Batch. Then she gets hired as a bouncer as we see in Tales, and she meets up with Lyco.
There's just not enough time for the Path to be a thing if these episodes come before Bad Batch.
I was wondering about that too. Hopefully they'll address it somewhere, I find it hard to believe this is the last we've seen of Ventress.
That reward was just too tempting. Botox doesn't come cheap on the Rim.
The Acolyte witches are not Nightsisters, for whatever that's worth, but in their case at least it's supposedly a temporary non-lethal form of transformation into the Force. Talzin in Massacre pretty clearly isn't cloaking and running off.
Well, that's one way to look at it...
She didn't revert, she started as a human.
Someone forgot to tell the folks at the official website which lists her species as Dathomirian https://www.starwars.com/databank/morgan-elsbeth same as Ventress https://www.starwars.com/databank/asajj-ventress
Wookieepedia cites Morgan Elsbeth as either human or Dothomirian, depending upon the source being cited. She certainly looks human.
From https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Morgan_Elsbeth#Massacre_of_the_Nightsisters:
From https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Nightsisters#Overview:
From https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Morgan_Elsbeth#Massacre_of_the_Nightsisters:
Morgan Elsbeth was a Dathomirian born on[5] the Outer Rim Territories[9] planet Dathomir[5] and was was a member of the Nightsisters,[1] a coven of witches native to Dathomir.[10]
From https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Nightsisters#Overview:
Most Nightsisters were Dathomirian,[2] but members of other species, such as[31] the human[52] Morgan Elsbeth, could be part of the coven.[31]
I hope we see more of Ventress. I wasn’t a fan of her during the Clone Wars, but the writers gave her depth in the last season. I’m intrigued and want to know more. Since her appearance on BB raised a lot of hemming and hawing on the internet, I think this may be how the writers are trying to tie that up. So, I’d say this resurrection is before her appearance in BB.
We know from the Mountain Clan ( and Wookieepedia ) that there are humans on Dathomir, despite the databank seeming to contain no evidence of this.
Of course it's before her appearance in BB. Her resurrection happens during the Clone Wars. ( Note the Obi-Wan walking away who curiously isn't on Tatooine. ) BB takes place after ROTS. The unanswered question is what she was doing during ROTS.
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