Don't count on that; the MCU way is to dump as many intrusive rather than subtle Easter Eggs and hooks for other movies as possible, so no story is ever truly independent enough.
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Don't count on that; the MCU way is to dump as many intrusive rather than subtle Easter Eggs and hooks for other movies as possible, so no story is ever truly independent enough.
Right, because DC is Oh So Good at that.
Who said anything about DC?
It's true - Marvel's endless parade of intertwined stories is a problem. It hurts even movies that I like, such as Multiverse of Madness.
It's true - Marvel's endless parade of intertwined stories is a problem. It hurts even movies that I like, such as Multiverse of Madness.
Nothing's wrong with them. In moderation.
True--the hooks / teases / Easter Eggs for the next film(s) are so omnipresent, many of the films barely tell much of a story of their own.
Ticket sales say you're wrong.
And that's the problem. It seems that no Marvel film/series can truly stand on its own anymore.
Oh, let's not mistake "profitable" for "good". The two have rarely met in Hollywood.
The people going to the movies think you're wrong too... they've been going to see the intertwined stories for over a decade now.Oh, let's not mistake "profitable" for "good". The two have rarely met in Hollywood.
But it works for them. And I still watch most as standalone. If I don't know what something is I don't worry about it.
Again, you're arguing from popularity. Which, once more, is not synonymous with "good".
I'll grant you that many of their films make money. Which means that many people like many of their films. But that does not mean they are automatically good, nor does it mean that cracks haven't begun to form in the foundation.
If you watch most of them, then I'm not sure you can really say that you're experiencing them as "standalone".
But either way it's fine. I'm sure I enjoy many forms of entertainment that you would think low-quality trash too. It's all good, we should all enjoy what we enjoy.
How specifically was that film hurt in your opinion?
Compared to? The Comics? Not everyone has read em, ever.
My first contact with the MCU was when I bought Captain America out of a previously viewed bin at Blockbuster video. I had heard more films were coming, it was cheap, so I said what the hell, I'll take a look.
I never looked back. I was at opening weekends for the future films and have been entertained by them all, even the weak ones.
It's actually since the last Avengers film that the entertainment value has, for me, fallen closer to the level I believe you are talking about. Still not terrible, for me, but not up there, like before.
If you didn't watch all of WandaVision, then Multiverse of Madness makes very little sense.
MOM doesn't bother explaining the antagonist's motivation (or how/why she had changed from protagonist in the last film to antagonist in this one) in anything more than the vaguest terms possible.
Oh gosh, no. The comics are totally irrelevant when talking about the quality of Marvel movies. More people go to see a Marvel film on its opening weekend (even a relative dud) than pick up a Marvel comic in an entire year.
We can talk about how good or bad the films are on their own merits.
That's sort of where I am, although the enjoyment value dropped off a little earlier (like halfway through the first act of the last Avengers movie) and fell a little farther. I don't find any of the television shows particularly good, and the films are not the must-see I once thought them to be. I've skipped a couple entirely, and waited for the others to come to a platform I already pay for.
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Well said--if the "they make money argument" held the all-encompassing merit some believe it has, the Transformers or the Fast and the Furious movies would be hailed as great films, and the last time I checked, no one sees either series in that way.
Agreed. Unless the Easter Eggs / teases are minimal and are not playing an almost equal hand in the plot of the film it appears in, its influence removes the idea of the film being standalone. You'd have to go back to the earliest MCU films to see that kind of restraint from the producers.
Yeah, we reach, but the duds bottom line, that I am aware of, always reflect their weaker production, for whatever reason. Installments I thought were weak, so did everyone else, apparently. A good indicator.
<violently shakes head>
I liked em. I just wish more backstory had been told before the Main Events, though. But I see how that did not affect the films bottom lines.For me, Wanda wore out her welcome in DS:2. I was expecting DS2 to be the DS I have been waiting for, with serious followup consequences for his decision in SP: NWH, but nope. It all became another way to squeeze out more Wanda. TBF though, I do suspect that one will grow on me once the bitterness subsides.
Anyway.
This is completely 100% false, I went to see Multiverse of Madness with my mom, who's only exposure to WandaVision was maybe seeing a few seconds while walking through the room while I was watching it, and she followed to movie fine. It tells you everything you need to know right there in the movie, Wanda had two sons that she lost, and now she started using the Darkhold as a way to get them back.
I'm starting to wonder if I'm missing a lot of stuff in these movies, because I have never once run into that with any of the MCU movies and I've seen them all. All of the Easter Eggs that I've seen have fit perfectly fine in the movie, and I've never found that they've taken me out of it or effected the flow.
"Bottom line" is not relevant when we're talking about quality. As @TREK_GOD_1 so helpfully pointed out, there's a whole lot of crap that makes a whole lot of money.
I didn't. I watch them randomly, with no concern to them as part of a larger narrative.
Agreed. Strange has yet to have a proper 2nd film.
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