Taika Waititi to write and direct Thor 4
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Personally, I have never seen Infinity War or Endgame, and am only aware that those films feature Thor hooking up with the Guardians because I'm not spoiler-adverse.
I prefer the DCEU to the MCU in part because each film in it works both as a standalone entity and as part of the greater whole simultaneously, which is only the case with but a handful of MCU movies.
So...you're unhappy that a Shared Universe actually has proper crossover interactions between characters and stories instead of lip service?
Yes, because more often or not, those interactions have adversely affected the development of individual characters and stories.
I didn't catch Meek in the suit until the fourth or fifth go around and only because I was pausing the trailer. Meek in a suit needs his own show!I love Thor's "Strongest Avenger" hat and I especially love Meek wearing a business suit over his exosuit.
Examples? The Marvel characters were designed to interact with one another, as opposed to DC. When has actually sharing a story harmed a character.
Unless you're going to just default to Spider-Man.
You can't possibly know that. For all you know, the movie uses a scene or two to establish that context for viewers who may not have seen them, or may not remember them. Like, you know, almost every sequel ever.
Now, if the movie fails to set up that context, or just does so poorly, you may have a gripe. But until then, this is you projecting your biases. Blatantly.
Iron Man 2 (even though I do like it, it isn't as specifically focused on Tony as it should have been)
Thor Ragnarok (again, even though I do like it, the inclusion of Hulk and the Grandmaster took time away from Thor and other characters directly associated with him)
Captain America Civil War (you might as well have called this movie Iron Man 4)
Spider-Man Homecoming (you might as well have called this movie Iron Man 5)
Spider-Man Far from Home (Happy Hogan and Nick Fury should've been nowhere near this movie)
Black Widow (the stinger was unnecessary after what was otherwise a pretty good movie)
You should go watch them. Lucky you, getting to see them for the first time.
Yeah this looks like it'll be a hell of a ride. And it's out not long after Mutliverse of Madness. Woop woop!
Essentially, you're complaining about the very notion of the character criss-crossing with one another outside of the Avenger movies?
I don't really want to. My sustained interest in the MCU died with Civil War, and is now limited to but a handful of characters and films.
Interconnectivity in and of itself isn't my issue; my issue is that interconnectivity is coming at the expense of individuality.
You want the Guardians in Love and Thunder? Start the film with Thor's time with them being a thing of the past and then have him reconnect with them because he needs their help as a consequence of the movie's story.
Starting the movie with him and them together means you're automatically isolating audience members who might not ever see the stories that set up why he's with them, and I don't personally like that approach.
Complaining about it isn't getting me anywhere, though, so I'm dropping the subject and moving on to things I actually liked about the trailer and that I'm looking forward to in the movie, bullet-point-style:
* The trailer's incorporation of Sweet Child of Mine is awesome
* I really want to know the specific context for the shot of Thor grabbing Jane around the shoulders, spinning her around, and kissing her
* Valkyrie being so obviously bored with the mundanity of ruling looks like it could be hilarious
* The shot where Jane shows up as Lady/Mighty Thor is great, and I hope it's not just a trailer-edited 'money shot'
I think it is interesting that you are complaining about inter-connectivity of characters in the MCU when Marvel basically started that concept. They were the first company to introduce comics that were continually "to be continued" and had characters moving in and out of other comics all the time.
The key was, and still was for Marvel at least ten to twelve years ago when I was reading them, that each story has some kind of previously on section. Back in the seventies, there would often be a page where a character either thinks or tells another character about what happened. Stan Lee famously said that this was done because you had to treat every comic like it was somebody's first comic.
Every movie so far has provided enough context to previous stories that somebody coming fresh to the MCU could understand what was going on. Sometimes you would have to "get" characters powers by seeing them on screen, but you can still follow the story. I don't believe that Love and Thunder is going to be much different in that regard.
The key was, and still was for Marvel at least ten to twelve years ago when I was reading them, that each story has some kind of previously on section. Back in the seventies, there would often be a page where a character either thinks or tells another character about what happened. Stan Lee famously said that this was done because you had to treat every comic like it was somebody's first comic.
Every movie so far has provided enough context to previous stories that somebody coming fresh to the MCU could understand what was going on. Sometimes you would have to "get" characters powers by seeing them on screen, but you can still follow the story. I don't believe that Love and Thunder is going to be much different in that regard.
I will fully and openly admit that my sensitivity on this topic is rooted in the fact that I don't really like much of the MCU as a whole.
You're honestly making a rather ridiculous distinction here.
Coming into Thor Love and Thunder without having seen how Thor hooked up with the Guardians is not one iota different than seeing an original movie where the action starts in media res. The only thing that will determine whether its confusing or not is whether the *movie* itself ultimately provides enough context for you to understand what came before to the extent that you need to understand it in order to enjoy the film. Now, sometimes a movie doesn't do a good job at that, but that's a failure that can apply to any film, sequel or not, shared universe or not. And as Theenglish mentioned, the MCU movies have not done a bad job so far at providing the necessary context for people to be able to understand these films even if they missed the earlier related films.
Isn't the interconnectivity the reason we don't have a Man of Steel sequel? The downsides (as you see them) work on both sides of the franchises.
Superman has been downright stomped on with BvS and JL because of the interconnectivity.
That's blatantly not true if you watched BvS or Justice League. We'll see what happens in Flash, too.
The DCEU was started with the intention of MCU-style interconnectivity, but with each film still having its own self-contained story that didn't prioritize interconnectivity over coherence, but when things didn't pan out the way Warner Bros. wanted with BvS financialky, they scrapped the idea of a single MCU-style shared universe and embraced what they're actually better at, which is the Multiverse, while at the same time diving more into a looser interconnected Shared Continuity Universe based on the path they'd started taking with Man of Steel and that they continued in BvS.
With the DCEU and projects like Joker and The Batman, Warner Bros. has managed to 'have its cake and eat it too', and I vastly prefer that approach to what's being done with the MCU.
The "we have no idea what we're doing" way?
The "We're not making that much money, so eventually we're going to have to change the way we do this" way?
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