News Taika Waititi Might Make His Own A Star Wars Movie

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  1. Awesome Possum

    Awesome Possum Take it sleazy Moderator

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    You’ve thrown a hissy fit for nearly half a decade over female characters in movies. If anyone is over sensitive, it’s you. Honestly this is never going to change, audiences are reacting positively and in large numbers. So there will only be more and more. This is the future and it will never go back. Either get used to it or go away.


    I think he just means as sex objects given his attitudes about women.
     
  2. JD

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    Could you explain this please? I really don't understand how they did that.
     
  3. The Wormhole

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    Fine, I can't convince you you're a bigot, and since others better than me have tried, I probably should toss in the towel on this. However,
    Seriously, LEARN HOW TO SPELL.
    What the shit is "monmey" supposed to be anyway?
     
  4. Flying Spaghetti Monster

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    Ok I'll clarify. Never once would a fan of SW complain about having a strong female character. But simply having a female character on screen to push an agenda of diversity, and having that character be under-written and overpowered, does not help and in fact hurts.. it's an insult to many female characters that have come before. The more the powers that be tell people what they want the character to be in contexts outside of the story itself, the more you can see the creators pulling the strings while actually watching the film.. so nothing she does in the film feels genuine. When Ripley decides to go back for Newt in Aleins, that is something she would do.. but when Rey decided to save Kylo Ren, it seems largely out of left field, like the screenwriters needed something for her to do and were sick of using the lazy force Skype to get them together in the same scene.. I mean she just watched the guy kill his father and was calling him monster. They never have that scene where Rey has a lot to learn, as she already bested Ren and did better than him against the guards. Actually she fails saving Kylo Ren as it turns out but the screenwriting still wants her to be the best in the moment so she is "I like this!" shooting down three TIES at once with the same shot in her very next scene. This is not a character, this a cipher, a way of the creators implanting their own desires and agenda into a character. She as inserted into the story as someone who is perfect for the sake of being perfect. And that devalues a lot more interesting characters that are female. Take Lindsey Brigman from James Cameron's the Abyss. She is the smartest character in that film, as she had just designed the underwater drilling platform used in the movie. Yet she shows, fear, weakness, impulsiveness and compassion throughout the film, often at times when her logical mind, her smarts, would have been more beneficial. She does not always do the right thing. But the creators of the new SW films are patting themselves on the back solving a problem that was never a problem.. the lack of female characters. In fact, having only a few characters that were female in and of themselves made those characters more special.. and if they wanted to add more, put some in that had more TO them.

    As for my point about inclusion.. inclusion was never an issue. Crybabies were. This notion that we MUST include a character.. and it must be a lead.. of (blank) demographic.. that it must happen. That it must happen regardless of the idea that they have't found ta good story yet, threads pop up that such inclusion just much take place. when that "marvel should put a black a female lead" thread popped up I probably should have opened up a thread called "Marvel must have a character with a freckled face be the lead" in the story. I mean no matter what demographics you elevate for the sake of checking off the boxes, you are always going to miss someone. Why isn't Peter Dinklange the lead in a SW film.. we need more dwarf leads? I kid, because he is a good actor and I'd welcome him into it.. but if the story demanded it, not the fact that SW has not done it yet.
    I remember when Moff Gideon showed up in Mandalorian. I had not seen breaking Bad, so this was my first exposure to the actor. That he was of a different race to me had nothing to do with why I loved the character.. he just a bad ass, awesome villain.

    But instead of being mature about this, you left wingers who believe that justice will come at the the pull of a voting booth, call me bigoted but have not even presented the inkling of a good argument
     
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  5. Awesome Possum

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    People who say bigoted things are called bigots, it has nothing to do with politics.

    I'm also pretty sure your issues with diversity is driven entirely by your lack of awareness of what it is. Because what you're describing as characters you like in newer media is diversity. You're being radicalized by people pushing a very far right agenda in order to gradually draw people into beliefs they wouldn't normally accept.
     
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  6. Flying Spaghetti Monster

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    Never said I had a problem with diversity. It's forced diversity, it's diversity for the sake of diversity.. it's diversity for the sake of doing it because it's demanded of them to do it, that the checkboxes must be checked off that I have a problem with
     
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    There's no such thing as forced diversity. You just claim it when an actor you don't like is cast and they happen to be a woman, POC or other minority group. It's entirely subjective and depends on how you personally feel about a particular person, generally based on their political beliefs more than anything else. As I said before, you've been radicalized and it's ruining your ability to enjoy movies and shows because it's poisoning your views.
     
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  8. Flying Spaghetti Monster

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    My views.. poisoned? haha yes forced diversity is everywhere. yet it's never enough.
    People become so offended if every single demographic is not the lead of a popular franchise

    I just want a good story.
     
  9. Awesome Possum

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    If it's everywhere then why can only you see it? Isn't that the definition of a delusion? And you're the one constantly ranting like a lunatic, so it appears you're offended. If you had any self-awareness of how irrational you've become, you'd be embarrassed.
     
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    so instead of providing an argument you just paraphrased "I know you are but what am I"
     
  11. Awesome Possum

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    When you make a single rational point, then we can have an argument. So far we've only seen bizarre rants about women.
     
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    Which is nowhere present in the ST. Sorry, it's just not. It is imagined for some bizarre reason, rather than being rational about not liking a movie. Not liking it is fair; insisting there is some conspiracy theory that is only perceptible by a select view is the height of irrationality and is dismissed just as quickly.
     
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  13. Flying Spaghetti Monster

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    So neither of you have read all those paragraphs I wrote.. ok.
     
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    Read them all; believed none of it. That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
     
  15. Awesome Possum

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    I read it and replied to you. What more do you want? That people agree with you, you aren't getting that because we're all still rational.
     
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    Nope. Not watching random video you share. A video is not a substitute for an argument.

    Yes, it is a problem. Until we agree upon this fundamental point then there will be no rational discussion.
     
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  18. Flying Spaghetti Monster

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    90 percent of the fanbase is male.. and even the women who have been fans of the franchise since the beginning.. many of them don't want the change for the sake of change, they don't need to be pandered to.. a good story is a good story. Most Rush fans are male.. but women still listen .. more every day, but if Rush had started writing more corny country like love songs and trying to change their target audience to bring in more women, they might not have succeeded.. and could have alienated their fan base

    my point is that these franchises should not try to change their target.

    Just like it's not the oscar's jobs to pick a winner just because that person is a new demographic that has not won before
     
  19. Flying Spaghetti Monster

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    Waaah. I would understand if the video was edited by the Fandom Menace.. but it was not.
     
  20. fireproof78

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    Yes, they should.
    Nope. Make your argument and cite quotes but don't expect me to do your job for you.

    Again, that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
     
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