Swearing In Star Trek XI?
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Then you must think colorful metaphors are only the product of the 20th Century?
Not every discussion need be sublime...
Sharr
..or maybe they'll take the 'Johnny Dangerously" route, such as the character of Roman Moroni:
"You miserable cork-sucker"
and
"You fargin sneaky bastage. I'm gonna take your dwork. I'm gonna nail it to the wall. I'm gonna crush your boils in a meat grinder. I'm gonna cut off your arms. I'm gonna shove 'em up your icehole. Dirty son-a-ma-batches. My own club!"
"You miserable cork-sucker"
and
"You fargin sneaky bastage. I'm gonna take your dwork. I'm gonna nail it to the wall. I'm gonna crush your boils in a meat grinder. I'm gonna cut off your arms. I'm gonna shove 'em up your icehole. Dirty son-a-ma-batches. My own club!"
Right, his famous line: "Let's get the fuck outta Dodge."
By that logic, they should have just edited him completely out of the movie.
I actually once considered throwing in a couple f-bombs in my "Yorktown" series, but backed off when I realized a.) it hadn't been used in any form of Trek before and b.) considering the tight standards of conduct in the workplace we have today, it stands to reason that even in the future, even the occasional "hell," "damn," or "fart" might be considered making a hostile work environment by HR standards in the 23rd let alone the 24th Century.
I heard in a moviue review some time ago that the F-bomb may be used once in movie and it may still get a PG-13 rating. "The Italian Job" is another example in which it is used once and that movie got a pg-13 rating. I'm a big fan of the "Back to the Future" movies but the cussing in those three is very forced and unnecessary. IMHO, the cussing was done to garner the PG-13 rating because movies with PG don't do as well as those at the box office. The use of the word "ass" is so low-rent, and I found it unnecessary in ENT the few times it was spoken. I was pleased that a scene from NEM that was deleted in which Picard says something to the effect, "My ass!" These officers are supposed to be highly educated and trained professionals, leaders and diplomats. Swearing beyond a "damn" or "hell" in an intensely emotional moment feels out of character to me. Riker screaming, "What the hell is he [Soran] doing??" in GEN and Picard growling, "Who the hell are we to decide..." in INS worked. Data muttering "Oh, shit!" in GEN was funny but too out of character. Swearing for laughs is pretty low-brow in my book.
To be serious, I don't miss 'em if they aren't there.
But they could've made Nemesis less boring.
Imagine the Shinzon-picard fight at the end with lots of cussin' It would've made up for the fact that neigther of them could fight.
*Picard breaks his gun in half* "Oh SHIT, I'm a lot fucking stronger than I thought! I can fucking snap titanium in half with my fucking bare hands! WHO WANTS SOME?"
But they could've made Nemesis less boring.
Imagine the Shinzon-picard fight at the end with lots of cussin' It would've made up for the fact that neigther of them could fight.
*Picard breaks his gun in half* "Oh SHIT, I'm a lot fucking stronger than I thought! I can fucking snap titanium in half with my fucking bare hands! WHO WANTS SOME?"
Why? Are you under the misimpression that "highly educated and trained professionals, leaders and diplomats" don't swear or use vulgar language when they're angry?
North Pole-aris said:
Why? Are you under the misimpression that "highly educated and trained professionals, leaders and diplomats" don't swear or use vulgar language when they're angry?
Again, this is my opinion, but professionals don't drop an F-bomb when things get tough and they are in front of their charges. The true leaders keep cool heads under pressure. The public use of such vulgarities indicates that they are not completely in control of themselves let alone the matter at hand. The best leaders set the example. Trek's Starfleet characters are supposed to exemplify leadership. So, no, I don't want crude language used in Trek movies by the main characters or the others. I prefer it to be family friendly with stories that display honor, valor, professionalism, and respect especially in the face of adversity. Anyone can be a great leader when things are going well. These characters should project those traits when things are going very badly.
Maybe I'm getting old, but I can't stomach most broadcast TV shows these days, especially the reality ones. There isn't even inuendo anymore. Mature themes (namely sexual situations) are constantly in your face. Language is awful, too. I'm not a prude, mind you. I enjoy adult themed shows; Dexter, The Sopranos, and Six Feet Under are among my favorite dramas and I love comedies such as Reaper, The Simpsons, and Fraiser. But mainstream broadcast TV lacks any sign of intelligence in the vast majority of its shows. It's cheap laughs by showing T & A and peppering the dialog with crude language. That's not entertainment to me. There is no such thing as the family hour and even cable channels like ABC Family show mature-themed shows that are nothing I want my young family to watch together. I'd like Trek to be family friendly. I'd like the characters to be fictional role models for those who watch its movies and series. Picard, Sisko, Kirk, and Janeway were almost always that kind of leader. Archer? Not so much, unfortunately.
"I want the theme song to be the same as Team America.
"Star Trek....FUCK, YEAH!!""
Hear Hear! :thumbsup:
After the Christian Taliban and the Nazis whined about swearing on tv, King George then swears on tv, and a judge says, "If King George can do it, so can everyone else.", this would be great!
"Star Trek....FUCK, YEAH!!""
Hear Hear! :thumbsup:
After the Christian Taliban and the Nazis whined about swearing on tv, King George then swears on tv, and a judge says, "If King George can do it, so can everyone else.", this would be great!
T'Cal said:
North Pole-aris said:
Why? Are you under the misimpression that "highly educated and trained professionals, leaders and diplomats" don't swear or use vulgar language when they're angry?
Again, this is my opinion, but professionals don't drop an F-bomb when things get tough and they are in front of their charges. The true leaders keep cool heads under pressure. The public use of such vulgarities indicates that they are not completely in control of themselves let alone the matter at hand. The best leaders set the example. Trek's Starfleet characters are supposed to exemplify leadership. So, no, I don't want crude language used in Trek movies by the main characters or the others. I prefer it to be family friendly with stories that display honor, valor, professionalism, and respect especially in the face of adversity. Anyone can be a great leader when things are going well. These characters should project those traits when things are going very badly.
George Patton, one of America's finest combat officers was notoriously foul mouthed. Pierre Trudeau, one of Canada's most sucessful prime ministers once told a political opponent to f*&^ off.
Use of foul language is often the result of upbringing, parents who worked in industrial settings etc. Just because one curses doesn't mean that they aren't cool-headed. I'm sure some people who crack under pressure do so without swearing.
Cursing is not an indicator of a lack of honour, levelheadedness, valour or a lack of leadership skills. A recent study indicated that swearing in the workplace (in moderation) is actually GOOD for morale .
It would seem that a responsible leader would be OBLIGATED to curse if he/she wants to get the very best out of their staff.
Superman
Fleet Captain
Damn, son, you are one uptight motherfucker, coming into a fucking thread on cursing and pissing on everyone's motherfucking parade.
I mean dammit, boy, haven't you heard of having some light, fun conversation and shit? Fuck, what a fuckin' wet blanket.
I'm sorry.
I'm just shittin' you.
\S/
I say they should save their one F-bomb for the climax of the movie. The Enterprise is at the center of a romulan ambush...
Kirk: Mr. Sulu, bring us to bear on the nearest warbird. Scotty, divert all power to the forward phaser banks. Spock, scan for weak points on the enemy ships and feed that information into the targeting computer. Mr. Chekov...
Chekov: Aye, Keptin?
Kirk: ...fuck 'em up.
Kirk: Mr. Sulu, bring us to bear on the nearest warbird. Scotty, divert all power to the forward phaser banks. Spock, scan for weak points on the enemy ships and feed that information into the targeting computer. Mr. Chekov...
Chekov: Aye, Keptin?
Kirk: ...fuck 'em up.
Yes, and that is the difference between an opinion and speaking from experience and observation.
You should hear what goes on in some surgery suites.
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