SW blu-rays have changes to the films again

[Ghrakh]

He makes it sound like the prequels were universally disliked when it's just a vocal minority who were really upset by them.

True, that was implied, but you state "vocal minority" as if it's a fact. Glass houses and all that.

The whole "Why doesn't Lucas listen to us massive hordes of outraged audience members?" thing.

Yeah, because SW would have been just as much of a phenomenon without an audience. But screw them right?

btw, why do the vocal defenders of the changes try to make like the masses who don't (seem to) care are on their side? Is their position so weak that it needs to be propped up with apathy?

If the original versions were released instead, those people would still buy them.

Well my friend, it's because all six of you are standing together in the back of a cheering crowd of 700.

Keep it up. Without marginalizing and insulting who you're arguing against, what exactly are you saying?

Funny how the desire for a choice of the theatricals always gets swept under the rug.

 

[Mach5]

vocal defenders of the changes

Who?

Funny how the desire for a choice of the theatricals always gets swept under the rug.

 

[Guartho]

He makes it sound like the prequels were universally disliked when it's just a vocal minority who were really upset by them.

True, that was implied, but you state "vocal minority" as if it's a fact. Glass houses and all that.

It is a fact. The majority of the Star Wars audience enjoyed the prequels well enough to buy the hell out of them.

The whole "Why doesn't Lucas listen to us massive hordes of outraged audience members?" thing.

Yeah, because SW would have been just as much of a phenomenon without an audience. But screw them right?

Pissed off nerds ≠ the whole Star Wars audience. You've got the same problem as this Mathew guy. You assume everyone that ever bought a Star Wars ticket feels the same way about it as you.

btw, why do the vocal defenders of the changes try to make like the masses who don't (seem to) care are on their side? Is their position so weak that it needs to be propped up with apathy?

I don't know. Why don't you ask someone who likes the changes or thinks they were a good idea? Here's a hint, that's not me. I have a lot more in common with the whining vocal minority than I do with George Lucas and his OCD constant changes. I just realize that I'm in the minority.

Well my friend, it's because all six of you are standing together in the back of a cheering crowd of 700.

Keep it up. Without marginalizing and insulting who you're arguing against, what exactly are you saying?

I was saying that I knew that guy's review was not worth listening to because the first minute establishes that he's living in a bubble in which he believes the majority of the Star Wars audience felt the way he did and George Lucas is "awful at listening" because he ignored what they said."

From that, you extrapolated that I sleep with my Special Edition DVDs and desire to shout down anyone with a Han Shot First T-shirt. That's on you.

Funny how the desire for a choice of the theatricals always gets swept under the rug.

How exactly is it swept under the rug? I see that discussed all the time. I'm very much in favor of that as well.

 

[Ghrakh]

vocal defenders of the changes

Who?

Anyone who puts down people who want the originals? The apathetic masses aren't dong that, so there obviously is a vocal group that supports the revisions.

Funny how the desire for a choice of the theatricals always gets swept under the rug.

People slam the "improved" versions because that's all that's offered. If you like them better or they don't bother you, fine, but GL should provide a choice to see the original films that made him famous in the first place, in equal quality. It's not that difficult. Other, less popular franchises seem to manage that.

 

[Set Harth]

Defeats Dooku sure...but that was just because he had become a stronger duellist.

Or because he "fought dirty", so to speak, while Dooku - as a classical duelist - could be expected to not do the same.

Sorry. I'm not going to devote hours of my life on some guy's mental breakdown and inability to deal with criticism leveled at something he enjoys.

I think you mean "I don't want to find out the truth about Stoklasa's claims because that way I can continue to live in a fantasy world of extreme denial in which prequel haters always tell the truth".

You could always check out my list of his brazen lies and misrepresentations in the old RLM thread. If you cared about accuracy, that is.

Not all so-called "criticism" is equally valid. If a prequel hater resorts to lying about the content of the films, what effect should that have on their credibility?

The first to use the "Mind Trick", all of that.

Never heard that one before.

He should have been the pinnacle of virtue, perfection, and The Light Side.

You do realize that nothing even remotely like this was established by the OT... right?

As I've said countless times Anakin should have been portrayed as Jesus.

Anakin died for his own sins, not mine.

 

[Guartho]

You could always check out my list of his brazen lies and misrepresentations in the old RLM thread. If you cared about accuracy, that is.

Not all so-called "criticism" is equally valid. If a prequel hater resorts to lying about the content of the films, what effect should that have on their credibility?

Pfffft. Show me one single line from the RLM reviews that lies about the content of the film other than something that is obviously a joke. (Qui-Gon Booze, etc.)

Opinions are also off the table so don't show me one of the "It makes no sense" lines and then ramble on about how it makes perfect sense if X & Y happened off screen.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Or because he "fought dirty", so to speak, while Dooku - as a classical duelist - could be expected to not do the same

Threatening to drop an object on disabled combatants and crush them to gain advantage in a duel might fairly be called "fighting dirty". See Dooku's escape from Yoda during their duel in AOTC for when Dooku uses that ol' dirty trick.

 

[TremblingBluStar]

I think you mean "I don't want to find out the truth about Stoklasa's claims because that way I can continue to live in a fantasy world of extreme denial in which prequel haters always tell the truth".

I never claimed anybody always told the truth.

I'm content to live in my happy bubble in which I was entertained about a silly film RLM made about Star Wars. I don't give a rat's ass whether someone else can scientifically prove 99% of what he said was b.s. It doesn't take away the fact that I found the video's entertaining.

You could always check out my list of his brazen lies and misrepresentations in the old RLM thread. If you cared about accuracy, that is.

Not all so-called "criticism" is equally valid. If a prequel hater resorts to lying about the content of the films, what effect should that have on their credibility?

What Guartho said. I've seen all three videos multiple times, and failed to find any such lies. There are certainly ways he may have interpreted the films that you disagree with, but that in itself indicates a weak script in that things shouldn't be so vague that fans need to pull things out of their ass to have it make sense.

 

[TremblingBluStar]

It is a fact. The majority of the Star Wars audience enjoyed the prequels well enough to buy the hell out of them.

Well, unless you are psychically connected to those who bought the DVD's, it's just as accurate to say "the ones who bought them weren't bothered enough by the prequels to not buy them".

BTW, I'd hardly call the amount sold the majority of the Star Wars audience. There must be at least 100 million SW fans just in the U.S. alone given the domestic sales for the past three films.

 

[Guartho]

BTW, I'd hardly call the amount sold the majority of the Star Wars audience. There must be at least 100 million SW fans just in the U.S. alone given the domestic sales for the past three films.

I could have been a little less vague. I was mainly thinking of just theater ticket sales. The Star Wars audience being loosely defined as people who were in the audience to see Star Wars.

 

[TremblingBluStar]

I could have been a little less vague. I was mainly thinking of just theater ticket sales. The Star Wars audience being loosely defined as people who were in the audience to see Star Wars.

That is what I meant as well. I don't think nearly everybody that paid to see TPM bought it on DVD. If they did, it would be not only the fastest selling DVD ever, you wouldn't be able to find a copy anywhere!

 

[DarthPipes]

I would've liked to have seen Anakin get some kind of mad rush of power after giving in and slaughtering the Sand People. It would've been nice to see him terrify himself by how far he went and the power he tasted. He's plugged himself into the dark side and swears it off. He then has a similar breakdown with Padmé, but he's not quite completely honest. He probably doesn't mention to her that he slaughtered them all, just that he killed the ones imprisoning her when he didn't have to. He tells half the truth to cover himself up.

I hated RA Salvatore's novelization of Attack of the Clones but he does describe Anakin's massacre of the Sandpeople in greater detail. In one moment, Anakin uses the Force to pick up a large boulder and drop it on one of the Tusken huts. Now that's the kind of high-level power I wanted to see.

In the prequels, Anakin is the guy we're told is so powerful but see very little evidence of it. Really, he doesn't do anything out of the ordinary powerwise.

 

[Tylervo]

Colour correction was really the only main issue I noticed with the 2004 DVDs (such as the green tint on Luke's lightsaber in ANH), plus a couple of shots which needed touching up (like the model mounting pole visible under the Millennium Falcon as she escapes the Death Star in ANH).

I'm looking forward to these. Lucas can tweek it all he likes. I'll still watch.

I just have to buy a blu-ray player and TV worthy of a blu-ray player. And get money to do said items.

And find time to sit down and watch them.


Grrrr.

 

[Set Harth]

Show me one single line from the RLM reviews that lies about the content of the film other than something that is obviously a joke.

These things were originally compiled by Raynor and anyone can read Raynor's rebuttal for themselves easily enough. But it's nice to know you have the patented defense ready in case anything Stoklasa said turns out to be untrue: "It was a joke!!!"

Opinions are also off the table so don't show me one of the "It makes no sense" lines and then ramble on about how it makes perfect sense if X & Y happened off screen.

Right, I know all about "if it's not on screen it didn't happen" ( STXI, anyone? ), which is a logically defunct premise. But I'm talking about specific false statements made about the films, not mere instances of "it makes no sense to me so the film is at fault, because a film shouldn't ask me to think".

I don't give a rat's ass whether someone else can scientifically prove 99% of what he said was b.s.

OK then, because someone did.

 

[Rarewolf]

I could have been a little less vague. I was mainly thinking of just theater ticket sales. The Star Wars audience being loosely defined as people who were in the audience to see Star Wars.

That is what I meant as well. I don't think nearly everybody that paid to see TPM bought it on DVD. If they did, it would be not only the fastest selling DVD ever, you wouldn't be able to find a copy anywhere!

I remember the day the video came out, Widescreen had completely sold out, but fortunately I'd reserved one.

 

[Professor Zoom]

I don't give a rat's ass whether someone else can scientifically prove 99% of what he said was b.s.

OK then, because someone did.

No.

 

[Dream]

I could have been a little less vague. I was mainly thinking of just theater ticket sales. The Star Wars audience being loosely defined as people who were in the audience to see Star Wars.

That is what I meant as well. I don't think nearly everybody that paid to see TPM bought it on DVD. If they did, it would be not only the fastest selling DVD ever, you wouldn't be able to find a copy anywhere!

Actually TPM was the fast selling DVD ever when it was first released.

THE PHANTOM MENACE; Fastest-Selling DVD Ever

I remember the day the video came out, Widescreen had completely sold out, but fortunately I'd reserved one.

When the TPM dvd first came out, some people actually bitched about the fact that DVD was widescreen only and there were no foolscreen versions. I wonder how they felt when widescreen tvs started becoming popular and studios started switching over entirely to widescreen dvds?

I can't help but chuckle at those people that ended up having hundreds of useless FS dvds.

 

[Uxi]

I can't help but chuckle at those people that ended up having hundreds of useless FS dvds.

I'm sure they have them stretched or zoomed in

 

[TremblingBluStar]

These things were originally compiled by Raynor and anyone can read Raynor's rebuttal for themselves easily enough. But it's nice to know you have the patented defense ready in case anything Stoklasa said turns out to be untrue: "It was a joke!!!"

Now, I think you know what he was getting at there. He did mention specifically RLM joking about Qui Gonn being on booze. That was obviously a joke, but someone could point at that and say "he's lying!!!! That wasn't in the movie!!!!" Well, duh!

Same with when he opens saying TPM was the most disappointing thing since his son. OMG, I think he was lying!

Like I said, bring me one specific example of Raynor pointing out a lie, and I will agree with you. Since you are the one making the argument, the burden of proof lies with you.

OK then, because someone did.

The only way 99% of what Stoklasa said was a lie is if the Star Wars prequels never existed, and are a fabrication invented by Stoklasa. Then it would all be lies.

 

[Biffette]

I watched ESB last night, and they have made the Hoth scenes quite blue in color. Really blue. Very Very blue.