SW blu-rays have changes to the films again

[Cmndr J Crichton]

Do these people(Red Letter Mediaetc) really think Lucas gives Two Fu**s about these wannabe internet fanboy reviewers? His career is film making, producing and actually working. The only time he even hears about this crap is when either his son, or one of his people comes up to him and says, 'Hey, you gotta see this guy Pinkett from a website called Red letter Media. He bashes the Prequels and you.' The comment probably bounces off his chest, and crumbles to the floor, and reacts with a grinn, headshake, and walks away. I felt that way at the end of the Sith Plinkett review, and I feel that way now.

If people really feel the need to be heard on this, I dare that film maker to show The People vs George Lucas at Star Wars Celebration VI, and Red Letter Media have a booth there. I think they may find themselve outnumbered there, and there are legions of Star Wars Prequel fans outside their parents basement, and there is a larger universe beyond their point of view.

 

[Amaris]

Do these people(Red Letter Mediaetc) really think Lucas gives Two Fu**s about these wannabe internet fanboy reviewers? His career is film making, producing and actually working. The only time he even hears about this crap is when either his son, or one of his people comes up to him and says, 'Hey, you gotta see this guy Pinkett from a website called Red letter Media. He bashes the Prequels and you.' The comment probably bounces off his chest, and crumbles to the floor, and reacts with a grinn, headshake, and walks away. I felt that way at the end of the Sith Plinkett review, and I feel that way now.

If people really feel the need to be heard on this, I dare that film maker to show The People vs George Lucas at Star Wars Celebration VI, and Red Letter Media have a booth there. I think they may find themselve outnumbered there, and there are legions of Star Wars Prequel fans outside their parents basement, and there is a larger universe beyond their point of view.

It doesn't matter. I like Plinkett and Red Letter Media, primarily because he's right. I derive entertainment value from Star Wars, and then the criticisms of Star Wars presented in a cogent and humorous way. Either way, it
s win/win in such a situation.

 

[Eddie Roth]

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Someone noted that the original Star Wars won an Oscar for editing and when you watched the most recent edition of it, it's hard to imagine why because Lucas has tampered with it so much.

Huh? You do know what the craft of film editing does, right? And that not much in ANH has been changed regarding editing? And, aside from that, that Academy members cannot see into the future? (I know you were trying to be funny, but this comment just doesn't compute.)

 

[TremblingBluStar]

You do know Half in the Bag is from the same guys that did the Plinkett reviews of the Prequals, right? That opinion from them is nothing new. The internet broke in half already.

I do realize that. However, the Plinkett reviews never make the claim that Lucas doesn't have any film making talent and basically got lucky with Star Wars.

Do these people(Red Letter Mediaetc) really think Lucas gives Two Fu**s about these wannabe internet fanboy reviewers?

Probably not. Anybody who makes it big in entertainment has to be open to public criticism, and I am sure Lucas heard enough when the prequels were being released. I'm also sure he got quite good at securing himself in a nice little criticism free bubble surrounded by his employees telling him what a genius he is.

 

[Professor Zoom]

You do know Half in the Bag is from the same guys that did the Plinkett reviews of the Prequals, right? That opinion from them is nothing new. The internet broke in half already.

I do realize that. However, the Plinkett reviews never make the claim that Lucas doesn't have any film making talent and basically got lucky with Star Wars.

Well, yeah, not explicitly, but going into hours and hours of examination of how bad the prequels are seem to say he's a film maker without talent.

 

[TremblingBluStar]

Well, yeah, not explicitly, but going into hours and hours of examination of how bad the prequels are seem to say he's a film maker without talent.

Maybe one that has lost his way, but to hear them say he never had talent is something that surprised me.

Plus, it takes balls, in my opinion. As the poster above stated, Lucas doesn't care about the criticism, and by making these videos the guys behind RLM risk making themselves look like guys who are bitter at the fame of more successful film makers. Of course, anybody who actually watches the reviews would realize how entertaining and well thought out they are, but they still open themselves up to the attack of a very large fandom.

Which makes me wish they would do more videos where they answer their own hate mail.

 

[Set Harth]

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Did he really use the word "outlander" before?

Yes.

The comment probably bounces off his chest, and crumbles to the floor, and reacts with a grinn, headshake, and walks away. I felt that way at the end of the Sith Plinkett review, and I feel that way now.

Raynor's fact-based rebuttal to the Stoklasa TPM review proved that 95% of it was complete bullshit, being a mess of factual inaccuracies, internal inconsistencies, misrepresentations of the content of the film, and nonsensical departures from the themes and characterizations established by the OT. It's a joke.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

So, anything new to do with the B-wings, including any outtakes? Apologies if this has been mentioned before.

Same with the waist gunners on the Millennium Falcon in the Battle of Endor?

 

[Trekker4747]

I think the RLM videos do a very good job of outlining why the prequels were sub-par without delving too much in fanboy nerd-rage.

The part that sticks out to me the most is the one where Lucas is sitting in his director's chair "directing" the actors saying their lines in front of giant green-screens and Lucas is barely giving the actors any "direction" on what to do or how to say their lines.

Compare this to old footage of him working on the OT with his sleeves rolled up and in the down-and-dirty with the actors and even the SFX.

 

[JarodRussell]

The part that sticks out to me the most is the one where Lucas is sitting in his director's chair "directing" the actors saying their lines in front of giant green-screens and Lucas is barely giving the actors any "direction" on what to do or how to say their lines.

Well, taken out of context, it might seem so. RLM is pretty good at Michael-Mooring this stuff. I've also seen videos where Lucas brings beautifully made concept sculpts and prints and animations of the CGI stuff and explains everything about it to the actors so they get a very clear picture of what's going to happen on screen.

 

[Whofan]

Regarding the B-wings, all we get is deleted test footage of aliens (A Sullustian and Mon Calamari) which I think are in B-wing cockpits.


The Falcon footage is interesting. Basically it has rebels doing repairs and running around, as well as manning the cannons. It's cool, but is basically a retread of the battle with the sentry ships in ANH with different characters. There's also no audio in the scene either.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Great, thanks, Whofan.

Someday, if possible, I would really like to see the test footage of the B-wing that led to the determination that those scenes just weren't going to work. I know so little about it though; I suppose it's possible they figured out that it wasn't going to work before anything watchable was even put together.

 

[Whofan]

According to the docs, the B-wings were too thin and didn't film well..


BTW Anakin's bad dream in AOTC seems to have a new audio of Shmi screaming.

 

[TremblingBluStar]

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Raynor's fact-based rebuttal to the Stoklasa TPM review proved that 95% of it was complete bullshit, being a mess of factual inaccuracies, internal inconsistencies, misrepresentations of the content of the film, and nonsensical departures from the themes and characterizations established by the OT. It's a joke.

There cannot be a "fact based" rebuttal to what is essentially a person's opinion!

Because you agree with one point of view, it's "fact".

I read excerpts of Raynor's tome online, and he completely misses the point of RLM's reviews. He defends the plot holes of the film while ignoring the overall point that the film was poorly made and fails to connect with viewers. Besides, he opens with this:

It’s not even hard to show why it’s dumb, because some of the things in that review are just really dumb.

Now that's just dumb!

 

[Guartho]

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Is this the 10x page rebuttal I've heard about that they refer to in one of the Palpatine YouTube teasers?

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

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Is this the 10x page rebuttal I've heard about that they refer to in one of the Palpatine YouTube teasers?

Yes, it's an attempt to come up with in-universe justifications for some of the plot holes listed by Red Letter Media in his reviews. Raynor completely misses RLM's point, though: the problem with these plot holes is not that they can't be explained, the problem is that they have no dramatic resonance, are left vague when they should be clear, or overtly complicated when they should be simple. It's a matter of tone and storytelling, not a matter of consistency.

 

[Professor Zoom]

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Plus, it takes balls, in my opinion. As the poster above stated, Lucas doesn't care about the criticism, and by making these videos the guys behind RLM risk making themselves look like guys who are bitter at the fame of more successful film makers. Of course, anybody who actually watches the reviews would realize how entertaining and well thought out they are, but they still open themselves up to the attack of a very large fandom.

Those in fandom that would attack, seriously, need to get a life. Most of them make being a Star Wars fan a WHOLE lot less fun.

Is this the 10x page rebuttal I've heard about that they refer to in one of the Palpatine YouTube teasers?

I couldn't even finish it. As others have said, it missed the point. RLM wasn't about Star Wars plot holes, it was about poor to mediocre film making.

 

[TremblingBluStar]

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Is this the 10x page rebuttal I've heard about that they refer to in one of the Palpatine YouTube teasers?

It's a 108 page rebuttal you have to download directly.

 

[David cgc]

I know that sounds like a lot, but a page equals roughly a minute of screentime, so it's about a tenth as long as the actual video reviews.

 

[TremblingBluStar]

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I couldn't even finish it. As others have said, it missed the point. RLM wasn't about Star Wars plot holes, it was about poor to mediocre film making.

I agree. I was reading some defenses of the rebuttal online, and they are the ones claiming that RLM "doesn't get it", and that since he responds to every single thing said in RLM's review, he obviously didn't miss the point.

I don't know. I'm not about to read an 108 page anything. But from the snippets I have read, I'm not terribly impressed.

Is RLM's video biased? Probably. There are people online comparing them to a Michael Moore video, where he ignores certain facts and draws illogical conclusions to make his point. For example, in concluding that Lucas is a lazy film maker while showing clips of him sitting with the monitors and the coffee without explaining the "context" or showing other clips where Lucas is more hands on.

The problem there is, I watched all of the special features for all three prequels - and I don't recall him ever being hands on! One person mentioned him giving feedback to artists sculpting aliens. The clip this comes from is basically George walking up to a table of 100+ alien sculptures, picking up the one he likes and saying "yeah. Lets go with that one", while people stand around looking nervous and laughing at his bad jokes.

That is not what I'd call hands on.