Susan Foreman is returning! - Big Finish

[The]

The modern Doctor seems to have much better control over the TARDIS than the older Doctors. Guess they have to so that their companion can go visit their mum every other bloody week!

that or he has just gotten good at it, after all these years, im sure he had to do some quite skilled piloting in the Time War, maybe he repaired whatever it was that kept him going on the wrong direction.

I think (in fictional framework) it's many different factors. One, as you said, I think he's older now. He's had a lot longer experience and practice with piloting the Type-40. I would also theorize that, much like keeping the Reapers at bay and things like that, the Time Lords probably treated the time stream like we treat rivers. They probably had alternate universe dammed-up, certain vortexes leading to certain time periods, and overall artificially controlled time. Thus, I could see where it might make random traveling very difficult or rough.

And, has anyone noticed that with Doc-9 and the very beginning of Doc-10, that travel was insanely rough and bumpy, with many violent landings. However, since then, they seem to have just dropped that, making TARDIS travel smooth and relatively easy.

I guess it's mainly like Starkers said....whatever is required of the plot and the writer...

 

[wamdue]

I guess it's mainly like Starkers said....whatever is required of the plot and the writer...

oh that I totally agree with.

theDoctors ability to control the TARDIS is only as good or as bad as the plot requires

 

[Brendan Moody]

The modern Doctor seems to have much better control over the TARDIS than the older Doctors.

Depends which older Doctors. The first few can't pilot it at all, of course, but as time passes they seem to get much better. The sixth and seventh never land in the wrong place at all, unlike Eccleston and Tennant; I think it was Steven Moffat who pointed out to the other writers while watching "The Unquiet Dead" that that episode was the first time since "The King's Demons" (or another story from around that time) that the TARDIS had landed in the wrong place without being pulled off course by an outside entity.

 

[The]

I guess it's mainly like Starkers said....whatever is required of the plot and the writer...

oh that I totally agree with.

theDoctors ability to control the TARDIS is only as good or as bad as the plot requires

Crap, I meant wamdue...sorry!

 

[The]

The modern Doctor seems to have much better control over the TARDIS than the older Doctors.

Depends which older Doctors. The first few can't pilot it at all, of course, but as time passes they seem to get much better. The sixth and seventh never land in the wrong place at all, unlike Eccleston and Tennant; I think it was Steven Moffat who pointed out to the other writers while watching "The Unquiet Dead" that that episode was the first time since "The King's Demons" (or another story from around that time) that the TARDIS had landed in the wrong place without being pulled off course by an outside entity.

So really, it's now just more his piloting skills than mechanical error, I would say..

 

[Stevil2001]

I think it was Steven Moffat who pointed out to the other writers while watching "The Unquiet Dead" that that episode was the first time since "The King's Demons" (or another story from around that time) that the TARDIS had landed in the wrong place without being pulled off course by an outside entity.

"The King's Demons" is indeed the last missed landing. I plotted these out once, but I'm not sure where.

 

[wamdue]

I guess it's mainly like Starkers said....whatever is required of the plot and the writer...

oh that I totally agree with.

theDoctors ability to control the TARDIS is only as good or as bad as the plot requires

Crap, I meant wamdue...sorry!

to be fair both me & Starkers both said it, he was more subtle about it.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Honestly, after 20 years Susan might look like she's a couple weeks older than when we last saw her, so really, how is her marriage going to function if her husband looks more and more like her father and then her grandfather and a pedophile everyday... And really, even with the kid being half human, exactly hoe slowly will he be maturating and how long would the gestation period be?

Brings up the old point, though, that not all Gallifreyans are Time Lords.

I have been out of the loop for awhile, but unless the show has introduced some new bit of information lately, then I still assume that only the specific subgroup of Gallifreyans known as 'Time Lords' (and Ladies) can regenerate. Normal, every-day, 'middle class' Gallifreyans cannot. So which group does Susan belong to? Does she qualify as a Time Lady? I don't recall these questions being answered as of yet...

And if Susan is not a Time Lady, then it gets around the earlier proclamation that the Doctor is the last of the Time Lords. He doesn't have to be the last Gallifreyan, as such.

 

[Bacl]

Honestly, after 20 years Susan might look like she's a couple weeks older than when we last saw her, so really, how is her marriage going to function if her husband looks more and more like her father and then her grandfather and a pedophile everyday... And really, even with the kid being half human, exactly hoe slowly will he be maturating and how long would the gestation period be?

Brings up the old point, though, that not all Gallifreyans are Time Lords.

I have been out of the loop for awhile, but unless the show has introduced some new bit of information lately, then I still assume that only the specific subgroup of Gallifreyans known as 'Time Lords' (and Ladies) can regenerate. Normal, every-day, 'middle class' Gallifreyans cannot. So which group does Susan belong to? Does she qualify as a Time Lady? I don't recall these questions being answered as of yet...

And if Susan is not a Time Lady, then it gets around the earlier proclamation that the Doctor is the last of the Time Lords. He doesn't have to be the last Gallifreyan, as such.

Since seeing "The Sound Of Drums" where we learn that children of Gallifrey are taken at age eight, I have always assumed that The Doctor took his Granddaughter Susan away when she turned eight, so that she would not enter the academy. This quite possibly could be part of the reason he first stole the TARDIS. We've seen that the academy can screw people up royal, The Master is an extreme example of this, and even The Doctor became who he is today because of his experiences there.

I imagine The Doctors children were taken to the academy, and came back changed; unimaginative, aristocratic, and not to the Doctor's liking at all. He probably kidnapped Susan and stole the TARDIS to keep her from sharing the same fate.

I doubt Susan could regenerate. The Doctor left her on Earth to live one normal, love-filled life. Just my own interpretation.

 

[Guy Gardener]

If Jenny could almost regenerate, then Susan probably could.

I remember Susan claiming that she snuk on board the TARDIS when the Doctor wasn't looking.

And in One's farewell speech to the girl, he did say that he would come back and get her eventually.

 

[wamdue]

sorry but is there anything on TV to support the idea that there are Gallifreyan's who are not Time Lords, and one has to go to the academy, and become a Time Lord?

this is something im not clear on, there is so much fanwank around Classic Who, im never sure if its real or fake.

 

[Bacl]

If Jenny could almost regenerate, then Susan probably could.

Hmm...but the Doctor was pretty sure Jenny would not regenerate. She was full Gallifrey DNA, but he felt certain that she would not regenerate. This adds to the idea that Time Lords learn to regenerate, and your average person on Gallifrey likely could not.

Jenny didn't regenerate so much as heal herself, probably tapping into that learnable capability of regeneration, and very likely aided by the life-giving force of the terraforming device.

Susan may have learned some kind of regeneration technique from the Doctor, possibly able to do what Jenny did if conditions were just right.

If Jenny could almost regenerate, then Susan probably could.

And in One's farewell speech to the girl, he did say that he would come back and get her eventually.[/QUOTE]

I'm betting The Doctor is too afraid or in too much pain to go back to where he left Susan. He feels in his mind that all others of Gallifrey are dead, and that (to him) includes Susan. I bet he can't bare to go back and find her gone. The expression on his face in "The Doctor's Daughter" when he tells Donna he's been a father, and now his children are all gone (i.e. dead) you can see real pain there.

 

[Bacl]

sorry but is there anything on TV to support the idea that there are Gallifreyan's who are not Time Lords, and one has to go to the academy, and become a Time Lord?

In "The Five Doctors" there's a guard on Gallifrey who shoots and kills the guy that the Lord President framed. He didn't regenerate. I forget if they called that guy a Time Lord or not.

 

[wamdue]

sorry but is there anything on TV to support the idea that there are Gallifreyan's who are not Time Lords, and one has to go to the academy, and become a Time Lord?

In "The Five Doctors" there's a guard on Gallifrey who shoots and kills the guy that the Lord President framed. He didn't regenerate. I forget if they called that guy a Time Lord or not.

well I have theories that explain that

1) the guy was on his last regeneration

2) the Time Lords developed a weapon that could kill a Time Lord not force a regeneration.

There maybe more to this, but if that is all this Gallifreyan/Time Lord idea is hung on, I wont worry too much about Susan being able to regenerate, however that might only work if she was dying, she might not be able to store that energy.

as for Jenny, I dont think she can regenerate, hence the fact the energy which came out of her was from the Genesis device, and she didn't totally change. There might be enough Time Lord in her to allow that to happen, but that would be all.

That said if she was to stand next to the Doctor when he regenerated and soak up the regeneration energy, she might be able to pull the same trick again.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

sorry but is there anything on TV to support the idea that there are Gallifreyan's who are not Time Lords

I believe they are called Shobogans. see "Invasion of Time" and "The Deadly Assassin".

 

[Stevil2001]

sorry but is there anything on TV to support the idea that there are Gallifreyan's who are not Time Lords, and one has to go to the academy, and become a Time Lord?

In "The Five Doctors" there's a guard on Gallifrey who shoots and kills the guy that the Lord President framed. He didn't regenerate. I forget if they called that guy a Time Lord or not.

That's the Castellan, who's a member of the High Council of Time Lords-- so you'd bet he's a Time Lord. It's been suggested that Time Lord stasers can kill Time Lords; I remember reading somewhere that they're designed so that the energy continuously ricochets through the body, destroying each regeneration in turn before it can even begin.

That said, The Invasion of Time features a tribe of Outsiders on Gallifrey who have rejected the ways of the Time Lords. That's not the same as The Deadly Assassin's Shobogans, though, since they're suspected of being responsible for acts of vandalism inside the Capitol.

 

[wamdue]

That said, The Invasion of Time features a tribe of Outsiders on Gallifrey who have rejected the ways of the Time Lords. That's not the same as The Deadly Assassin's Shobogans, though, since they're suspected of being responsible for acts of vandalism inside the Capitol.

and neither of those two groups, could regenerate?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Hippies don't wear meat or eat meat. Similar principle.

Runcible. A timelord gets a job as a tele-presenter? Either he's a really really failed time lord, or Time lords can chose to work in any strata of their society.

 

[Stevil2001]

That said, The Invasion of Time features a tribe of Outsiders on Gallifrey who have rejected the ways of the Time Lords. That's not the same as The Deadly Assassin's Shobogans, though, since they're suspected of being responsible for acts of vandalism inside the Capitol.

and neither of those two groups, could regenerate?

We don't know a thing about Shobogans, other than that they could be responsible for vandalism. They could be Time Lords. Who knows?

Runcible. A timelord gets a job as a tele-presenter? Either he's a really really failed time lord, or Time lords can chose to work in any strata of their society.

But doesn't Runcible know the Doctor from the Prydonian Academy?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Runcible. A timelord gets a job as a tele-presenter? Either he's a really really failed time lord, or Time lords can chose to work in any strata of their society.

But doesn't Runcible know the Doctor from the Prydonian Academy?

Borusa did. He said to Runcible, "You had ample time to ask me questions during your misspent years at Prydon Academy" or something like that.

Although the Doctor is also a Prydonian. I suppose they could all have been at the Academy at the same time, though that'd be stretching it a bit. The Doctor apparently did know Runcible somehow, since he immediately said "Runcible the Fatuous!" when he saw the newscast.