Davros is not a whore. No one pays that magnificent bastard, which makes him a slut.
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What if the Doctors travels with Mary, are from before she writes that Novel, surely Davros talking about being betrayed by his beloved creations and his own immortality or not... Which smacks of Time war to me. Is the Time war what fracks her up? Nice story about her, after Percy died, she carried his heart around with her in a brown paper bag until she threw herself on her husbands funeral pyre.
Goodness knows what sought of zombie monsters she fought with the doctor that she won't leave a dead body laying around idle if it's still retaining it's main pump.
I hardly ever wash dishes.
What if the Doctors travels with Mary, are from before she writes that Novel, surely Davros talking about being betrayed by his beloved creations and his own immortality or not... Which smacks of Time war to me. Is the Time war what fracks her up? Nice story about her, after Percy died, she carried his heart around with her in a brown paper bag until she threw herself on her husbands funeral pyre.
Goodness knows what sought of zombie monsters she fought with the doctor that she won't leave a dead body laying around idle if it's still retaining it's main pump.
Based on "The Next Doctor," the Time War must have involved the ninth.
The Cybermen's Infostamps came from the "Cult of Skaro" Daleks. Who were placed into the Void before the Time War, so that they would be outside of time. Since the Infostamp showed the ninth Doctor, then the ninth Doctor must have existed prior to the Time War for the "Cult of Skaro" Daleks to know who he was. Ergo, the Time War happened to the ninth Doctor. Not the eighth.
I think the suggestion is that the Cybermen get the technology from the Daleks after they sucked into the void in Parting of the Ways, hence why it does have the 10th Doctor in it.
Correct. That's why it has the tenth. Because the Cybermen and the "Cult of Skaro" Daleks fought the tenth Doctor at Canary Wharf.
But the "Cult of Skaro" Daleks will have to have fought the ninth Doctor at some point to have his image in the Infostamp. Since the "Cult of Skaro" Daleks were placed into the Void as a back-up to the Time War, the conclusion is that the ninth Doctor predates the Time War.
If the ninth Doctor didn't fight the Time War, the Cult of Skaro Daleks would not have known about him, and he would not have been on their Infostamp.
Hence, the conclusion from "The Next Doctor" is that the ninth Doctor fought the Time War.
But the "Cult of Skaro" Daleks will have to have fought the ninth Doctor at some point to have his image in the Infostamp. Since the "Cult of Skaro" Daleks were placed into the Void as a back-up to the Time War, the conclusion is that the ninth Doctor predates the Time War.
If the ninth Doctor didn't fight the Time War, the Cult of Skaro Daleks would not have known about him, and he would not have been on their Infostamp.
Hence, the conclusion from "The Next Doctor" is that the ninth Doctor fought the Time War.
well this is a mine field and ive changed tact many times writing this post, but dont forget the Doctor only said they probaly got it from the Daleks inside the Void, so really he is just guessing and does not know for sure,
its very possible the Cybermen took on the information (the Doctor database) from Torchwood Tower (they had been operating in the Tower for a period of time, and would want to find out all they can about an enemy like the Doctor) before putting it onto info stamps (possibly taken from the Daleks) when they ended up in "London Town"
More to the point the info stamps did not come from the Cult of Skaro they all Temporal Shifted to New York, its the Daleks that were in the Gensis Arc that would have been in the Void.
However the info stamp technology seemed to be made to fit the Cybermen and not the Daleks, so I suspect that the Daleks really had little do with the info stamp and the Doctor database.
its very possible the Cybermen took on the information (the Doctor database) from Torchwood Tower (they had been operating in the Tower for a period of time, and would want to find out all they can about an enemy like the Doctor) before putting it onto info stamps (possibly taken from the Daleks) when they ended up in "London Town"
More to the point the info stamps did not come from the Cult of Skaro they all Temporal Shifted to New York, its the Daleks that were in the Gensis Arc that would have been in the Void.
However the info stamp technology seemed to be made to fit the Cybermen and not the Daleks, so I suspect that the Daleks really had little do with the info stamp and the Doctor database.
Surely it's quite possible that both the 8th and the 9th Doctor fought in the Time War?
For all we know the 9th Doctor arrived just in time for the last few skirmishes where his image was taken.
Or the 8th sacrifices himself at the end of the Time War, destroying Gallifrey and the Time Lords, and then he regenerates into the scarred and traumatized 9th Doctor. Meanwhile, the clip in 'The Next Doctor' was put there by the production team because they wanted to showcase every Doctor, nothing more... 
We don't even know that, actually. Maybe he had plastic surgery. Maybe he borrowed another Timelord's body. Maybe he's just vain and mental.
that is my basic theory,
I think it's a reasonable assumption, at least.
God, the internet is nothing but a fucking encyclopaedia of pedantry.
Mine too. Ten's comments to Rose at Bad Wolf Bay in Journey's End suggest to me that the regeneration into Nine occurred during the war, and it makes sense that a traumatized Doctor born in the midst of the war might be more likely to take the drastic action of destroying the Time Lords and Gallifrey along with the Daleks. I think Eight fought at the beginning of the war, regenerated, and then Nine was the one that ended the war by his actions.
yep that is pretty much the theory ive posted on this forum before.
It's also possible (though unseen) that either the Daleks or the Cybermen downloaded information on the Doctor from Torchwood's files, which would almost certainly include all ten incarnations. It would definitely include the Ninth, after the incident with the Slitheen.
If I'm feeling cynical, I agree with The.
If I'm feeling like a nice in-universe explanation, I agree with Turbo. I'm just not a fan of the idea Eccles fought the Time War - it seems to me to have more dramatic potential for McGann die and regenerate in the final battle that wiped out both sides. Sure, maybe that's not what's intended at all, but I like it.
If I'm feeling like a nice in-universe explanation, I agree with Turbo. I'm just not a fan of the idea Eccles fought the Time War - it seems to me to have more dramatic potential for McGann die and regenerate in the final battle that wiped out both sides. Sure, maybe that's not what's intended at all, but I like it.
Well, that would mean that Nine hadn't looked at a mirror during his adventure which saw him fall off the Titanic and tread water that he was still bitching about in the nupilot.
You'd have to wonder about the "evidence" shown by the portly net fanatic (Clive?) about 9's travels he showed to Rose,how many of those adventures did Rose actually end up being on if this was so fresh into his new regeneration?
Unless of course, there was more than one regeneration wandering around the events of the Titanic, that 8 could have fallen off the side and "later" nine could have warned that family not to take the ship to the new world?
You'd have to wonder about the "evidence" shown by the portly net fanatic (Clive?) about 9's travels he showed to Rose,how many of those adventures did Rose actually end up being on if this was so fresh into his new regeneration?
Unless of course, there was more than one regeneration wandering around the events of the Titanic, that 8 could have fallen off the side and "later" nine could have warned that family not to take the ship to the new world?